Make old feast rewards somehow available again

[oLLiCS]

I think you are exaggerating. Me (and surely enough other people who do the Frontline daily) still need victories for our mount achivements. When I lose, I just try again because there is nothing I effectivly lose. Ranked on the other hand looks completly different. Ranked is supposed to, well, rank the player. If you want to show how good you are and if you want trophies, you should play ranked. A rank and trophies are tied to you winning some kind of competition. Glamour and mounts on the other hand are not!

Glamour and mounts as reward for Top100/Top30 stand for the respective season you played, so the reward itself respresents the season. Imagine the top100 players get nothing but a silly rank and one guy gets a trophy. Ranks have no meaning since Season 5 anymore. On top of that we had seasons where players ranked 101+ and got the highest rank without even placing Top100. It is a competition and the rewards are glamour and mounts. Old Feast rewards shouldn't be made available for players who didn't play back then (myself included, I wish I got my hands on the Season 1 coat) and even IF they're made available again, then it should be purchasable via wolf collars just like the weapons.

Feast (4vs4 ranked) is a competition, not a grind.

The only point I agree with you is that Feast rewards should have no relation to PvE such as the magitek conveyor or hellhound (I know it was highly requested by the community).

[Kaiche]

I also play a handfull of other competitiv games and guess what I get when I play ranked: A small little "trophy" with the color of my rank in the last season for every season. Nothing else. And there are still a lot of people who play both modes. People who want to have competition play ranked. Those who just want to try things or want to only have fun play unranked.
And maybe I should be more clear on what I mean trophies. I mean litteral trophies. Trophies you can put into your house or titles that specificly tell "Guy who reached rank 1 in season 8". Not mounts and glamours that could also be associated with something else if they weren't already implemented this way into the game.

Same here, If a game has compet I usually hop in. What game are you referring to? sounds like OW in this example. You're not wrong but also games give bigger rewards like glam and mounts too there's no set rule for rewards for competing.
If there was only a reward for 1st place feast would be dead on arrival, I can see it now highest rank being like a high silver, It wouldn't work and removing such rewards wouldnt make sense neither, why limit rewards for work u put into competing against other players for a top 100 spot? Who realistically wants a trophy, mounts and glams hold way more value then that, that is why people like to play and get high ranks in the first place.

The only thing I agree with you here is that the chair mount was controversial since it was based of that one npc aulus(?) magitek chair but if you look at it they're not even the same, still I feel that the rewards could be more pvp like in a way thats not so related to pve and such but thats the only case where this applies. Hell hound mounts go with the hell hound armor which makes sense since this is the theme of feast anyway. old s1-2 coats give that champion feel and the current glamour right now is also like an intimidating style of armor which works in this feast setting - reminds me of like the guardian of lichenweed, if you remember that map.

[Nova_Rox]

I think you are exaggerating. Me (and surely enough other people who do the Frontline daily) still need victories for our mount achivements. When I lose, I just try again because there is nothing I effectivly lose. Ranked on the other hand looks completly different. Ranked is supposed to, well, rank the player. If you want to show how good you are and if you want trophies, you should play ranked. A rank and trophies are tied to you winning some kind of competition. Glamour and mounts on the other hand are not!

On Aether people get salty. I run a Rival Wings discord and every time we do our weekly RW event there are people that are raging.

[oLLiCS]

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The only thing I agree with you here is that the chair mount was controversial since it was based of that one npc aulus(?) magitek chair but if you look at it they're not even the same, still I feel that the rewards could be more pvp like in a way thats not so related to pve and such but thats the only case where this applies. Hell hound mounts go with the hell hound armor which makes sense since this is the theme of feast anyway. old s1-2 coats give that champion feel and the current glamour right now is also like an intimidating style of armor which works in this feast setting - reminds me of like the guardian of lichenweed, if you remember that map.

To be honest, The Feast theme is wolves and I still feel like the current wolf mounts you get from Primals should have been Feast rewards and Hellhounds the rewards for Primals but of course I can see the whole far eastern theme with Stormblood matching up with Okami wolves.

[Kaiche]

On Aether people get salty. I run a Rival Wings discord and every time we do our weekly RW event there are people that are raging.

Long drawn out matches + lack of teamwork + Players still not knowing what mechs do leads to this
A bad team with no teamwork leads to a waste of 20-30mins, not fun!

To be honest, The Feast theme is wolves and I still feel like the current wolf mounts you get from Primals should have been Feast rewards and Hellhounds the rewards for Primals but of course I can see the whole far eastern theme with Stormblood matching up with Okami wolves.

That would be great too, It's clear now that SE wants these rewards to have an "edgelord" factor to them since now this would be the 5th season they have showed edgy rewards, it wll be the 6th soon for the reskin but thats the theme they seem to like right now.

[Stormfur]

I have always been against that for obvious Reasons. Why make the few valuable items that are in the game worthless? Especially Season 1+2, the only Seasons where Wintrading or boosting was are very rare thing (at least in soloqueue).

I also think that Yoshi P knows that a lot of the western people dont like the Feast in its current state and it would hurt this Game mode even more if they made its rewards available to everyone afterwards, even though noone takes Feast seriuosly anymore thanks to all the traders and boosters.

This brings us back to a similar issue as that which spawned the 100+ page White Raven Earrings fiasco regarding value of digital items. Since that topic has been beat to death over in General Discussion, I'm not going to delve into it here.

But I disagree that making them more available would make them worthless. I would suggest still making players PVP for them. Tie them to number of kills and/or assists like the other rewards. I still see very few people with the Hellpup/Faepup minions even though THOSE are more attainable now and were previously going to be rewarded for the top 10 only.

(Edit, I just checked because I was curious. Approximately 3.6% of players have the Hellhound minion and 10.4% have the Faehound minion)

Honestly, the mode is just about dead as-is, at least on Primal, and even the promise of free Fanfest tickets did little to spur on this e-sports idea. FFXIV is designed to be a PVE game with a PVP "coating" that doesn't really mesh well given how the game was built. It's too clunky and unresponsive for the kind of PVP that begets competition/tiers/ladders. Even though they simplified it, the core of the programming involved just isn't conducive to the rapid response time and control needed to really turn it into an e-sports game.

People still farm for ponies/birds/wolves and those battles are just about as old as the previous season rewards. If you tie an attainable reward to something, you'd be amazed at the people who would go back and do it.

Even the JP forums for PVP are rife with people wanting to attain the rewards for Top 100 but not having the time/queues are dead so they don't even attempt it. And that's to say nothing of the people who hack/wintrade/boost.

What do you think, is it a problem of the player's perception of time invested vs. reward or a problem of the devs for making something so desirable exploitable and almost unreachable by your everyday person? Or both?

I'm genuinely curious to hear your thoughts (all of you, not just Araxes)

[Kooper16]

What do you think, is it a problem of the player's perception of time invested vs. reward or a problem of the devs for making something so desirable exploitable and almost unreachable by your everyday person? Or both?

As I hopefully made it clear already, I see the problem at making desirable items accessible to a small, specific group of players. On top of that (and that is subjective) pvp is not fun to me and many other people I talked with. Even by just looking at the first page of this forum you can see that people who like PVP are still having issues with it. That just makes things worse

[Gallus]

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No I haven't flamed anyone through chat, spammed them or used ignore marks as a way to annoy someone. You don't have pics of a situation that doesn't exist. Go ahead and look for them in your recorded games.

Do you know what's the issue here? That you can't believe what I'm saying because someone who says that they don't flame stands out so much from your "already established as normal daily harassment and insults" in your PvP games that you just can't take my words serious and assume I'm lying. But truth is I haven't flamed. I'm not pretending.

You don't really need to tell me to "stay away from competitive mode or games" because I've done so for a while now.
I came to this thread simply to agree with the TC that the rewards should be made available outside ranked. Locking stuff behind a mode that doesn't even have a chat due to people's inability to contain their anger is a poor idea. In this kind of mode your average player has normalized a behavior that makes the rest of us stay away from it (for obvious reasons).

[oLLiCS]

As I hopefully made it clear already, I see the problem at making desirable items accessible to a small, specific group of players. On top of that (and that is subjective) pvp is not fun to me and many other people I talked with. Even by just looking at the first page of this forum you can see that people who like PVP are still having issues with it. That just makes things worse

I've cleared all savage content when it was relevant. Haven't touched Ultimate tho because I think it's not worth the time to get a Shiva-like glowing weapon. I'm pretty sure I won't enjoy Ultimate too. And Ultimate is sold by several groups. So going by that, should SE make Ultimate rewards accessible to people who did not clear the content by hmm let's say doing x amount of Savage content? And don't give me that "it's only there for a limited time" stuff because you got months to get your hands on the Top100 rewards since the reward changes only every 2 seasons. Also the "Ultimate can be run unsynced in future" because as far as I know, SE might not make that but time will tell.

@Gallus
I don't know where you're coming from with the whole "harrassment and insults" stuff but I can assure the majority (I would say 95%) of the PvP community who's capable of reaching the higher tiers (Platinum/Diamond) do not harass anyone who's not completely stepping out of their way like trying another job you're not familiar with in higher tiers. In fact there's even fair play in solo. If someone dc's in the middle of the match, everyone steps back, waits and also tries (via taggin on Discord) to even out the points to make the match end up in a draw. I'm sorry to hear that you have had such a bad experience in PvP but that's a relic of the past.

[Kooper16]

It's not the limited time. It's the limited amount of players who are able to get it. Theoretically everyone can get Ultimate weapons. Only 100 people can get Feast rewards. And yes, they said something about maybe looking into adjusting Ultimate so you can beat it in the next expansion without unsyching (and thus not allowing unsyching) but most people don't really believe in that. They also didn't do that with the coil savage turns. Of course only time will tell but yeah... you still have more than 6 months to clear it before we find out if you can or can not unsych it. After that you can still clear it and still get the rewards and there are already more than 1500 characters with uwu clears.