Make old feast rewards somehow available again

[Kaiche]

No I haven't flamed anyone through chat, spammed them or used ignore marks as a way to annoy someone. You don't have pics of a situation that doesn't exist. Go ahead and look for them in your recorded games.

Do you know what's the issue here? That you can't believe what I'm saying because someone who says that they don't flame stands out so much from your "already established as normal daily harassment and insults" in your PvP games that you just can't take my words serious and assume I'm lying. But truth is I haven't flamed. I'm not pretending.

You don't really need to tell me to "stay away from competitive mode or games" because I've done so for a while now.
I came to this thread simply to agree with the TC that the rewards should be made available outside ranked. Locking stuff behind a mode that doesn't even have a chat due to people's inability to contain their anger is a poor idea. In this kind of mode your average player has normalized a behavior that makes the rest of us stay away from it (for obvious reasons).

I'm sure many can attest to that but I digress.

What are you even talking about? I didnt say you did flame people however I've seen you spam in-game in the feast and mark people before, you're no angel here is what im saying. Do you understand why such things occur to you (and other players) why certain people get ignore marked? Read what I said again because thats the reason things like that happen; Even Nova_Rox said it perfectly before so I aint going to go in it. What I can't take seriously is how you act like every single pvper you encounter is some toxic animal waiting to just flame the crap out of you and it couldnt b
e further from the truth, you have a bias from a few bad experiences but the logic you present for certain ideas and suggestions is quite wack, Im glad you dont play compet games anymore cos its too much for you it seem and it would do you some good, smack talk is everywhere in real life and in competitive games, even sports just fyi.

Im all for more rewards outside of ranked feast but if people want the top 100 reward system we have now then you're having a laugh. Frontlines leader board could be a cool way to reward those who are top with something.

It's not the limited time. It's the limited amount of players who are able to get it. Theoretically everyone can get Ultimate weapons. Only 100 people can get Feast rewards.

If they didnt have a limit then it defeats the purpose of competitive seasons, this is what people forget and only see the reward side of things and not the actual structure of how ranked pvp design works. Ok, let's say for example: there was no limit to how many people could get this reward BUT you had to reach diamond rank to achieve the reward in the season, It wouldn't change anything at all in the grand scheme of things and infact, it would make it worse! since majority of the seasons have many in plat and about 30 in diamond so that would be worse (assuming there was a minimum elo threshold for the reward) and if there wasn't then this makes no sense to begin with looking from your PoV. I hope they do make the savage content set in level / ilevel so that it is still a feat to achieve and not a cakewalk like ponies, and the birds.

[Kooper16]

If they didnt have a limit then it defeats the purpose of competitive seasons, this is what people forget and only see the reward side of things and not the actual structure of how ranked pvp design works.

No, it's not. You compete to show that you are the best. Rewards and rank should be a proof of skill but as I stated before, rewards should be tied to pvp itself. If someone sees your reward, they should already know where it's coming from. Maybe not the season but seeing the chair of a dungeonboss and then hearing "yeah I got it from something completly unrelated" is ridiculus. That's why I said trophies. Litteraly trophes. Not exclusivly first place trophy.

[Kaiche]

No, it's not. You compete to show that you are the best. Rewards and rank should be a proof of skill but as I stated before, rewards should be tied to pvp itself. If someone sees your reward, they should already know where it's coming from. Maybe not the season but seeing the chair of a dungeonboss and then hearing "yeah I got it from something completly unrelated" is ridiculus. That's why I said trophies. Litteraly trophes. Not exclusivly first place trophy.

It would lol how would it be competitive then, nobody cares about what rank you are, its the rewards that motivate people. nobody cares about a poxy trophy u hang in ur home nobody ever visits. There has been rewards through other pvp already through achievements that is why it should stay like that and be expanded on just like how tanks had the upgraded version of their mounts etc. Aren't we agreeing on the same thing at the end of the day? I dont understand why you hate that top 100 has glam and mounts other than you feel the other modes should have more attention (reward based) that I agree with myself but adding trophies to top 100 instead of glam and mounts? what the? For what reason should this happen other than "pvp should be about rankings and should not have glam and mounts as rewards because pvp" I dont get your point at all, makes zero sense to me dude.

I'l just end it here by saying the same thing as all the other threads end up in their conclusion... Old top 100 feast rewards should be added to the top 100 shop as a choice so that if you really want that coat or hellhound u go and play the mode, get top 100 (its really easy man go try it, like i said before minimal pvp knowledge, u can spam to top 100 these days...) and just obtain it that way, its fair, its legit and you actually played the mode as intended. What is wrong with that?

[Kooper16]

I'l just end it here by saying the same thing as all the other threads end up in their conclusion... Old top 100 feast rewards should be added to the top 100 shop as a choice so that if you really want that coat or hellhound u go and play the mode, get top 100 (its really easy man go try it, like i said before minimal pvp knowledge, u can spam to top 100 these days...) and just obtain it that way, its fair, its legit and you actually played the mode as intended. What is wrong with that?

So you end by agreeing with me. My whole point is to make old feast rewards somehow available again (It's the title of this post). While I suggested different things, I didn't say that it has to be that way. I don't like pvp that much, yes. I don't know if I'll ever get to top 100. But if I could get those rewards by getting to top 100 in any season (and then choose to either take the new reward or an old one), those rewards would be available again and THAT is what I would like to achieve! Obviously only 100 people would get a reward in the first season but with every following season the potential number of players who can recieve the reward they desire increases. That's again, something I can agree upon. (I think it's my third time saying this now but I would like to avoid PVP to get those rewards but if this is a solution that the majority agrees upon, I can live with that.)

[Kaiche]

So you end by agreeing with me. My whole point is to make old feast rewards somehow available again (It's the title of this post). While I suggested different things, I didn't say that it has to be that way. I don't like pvp that much, yes. I don't know if I'll ever get to top 100. But if I could get those rewards by getting to top 100 in any season (and then choose to either take the new reward or an old one), those rewards would be available again and THAT is what I would like to achieve! Obviously only 100 people would get a reward in the first season but with every following season the potential number of players who can recieve the reward they desire increases. That's again, something I can agree upon. (I think it's my third time saying this now but I would like to avoid PVP to get those rewards but if this is a solution that the majority agrees upon, I can live with that.)

Ok I understand where you're coming from, A lot of people in the pvp discords think the same thing and want the option to purchase a select top 100 item with their voucher rather than it be tied to each seasons one reward which would be nice, its good to have choice, that's for sure but expecting pvp rewards outside of pvp is a stretch. I feel that doing it like this means the items dont just fade away and are still are obtainable to those who put the work in, you could argue that now resources for this past rewards aren't "wasted".

[Stormfur]

The funny thing is... there's a huge thread on the JP forum about "How to make PVP more popular", so it's struggling, even there...

And it's interesting that you'd bring up Ultimate weapons - because while these are reserved as exclusive for people who attempt and clear the fight, they are by no means seasonal or limited. And that's what PVP rewards does wrong. If Ultimate weapons were only given to say, the first 10 teams to clear across a data center (that would be 80 people, so close to the amount of a Feast leaderboard standing) raiders would lose. their. minds. There would definitely be competition - but to the detriment of health/sleep/work/school/relationships.

Plus, when you limit something like this, to only a select few, people will do everything they can to get that shiny thing, including buying their way to the top or using third party software programs to cheat. So no, PVP is not some amazing echelon of skill. That's not to say that the players who love it aren't skilled - many are, but don't think for a minute that some people won't resort to TOS-breaking measures to make up for the skill they lack.

[Kaiche]

it's interesting that you'd bring up Ultimate weapons - because while these are reserved as exclusive for people who attempt and clear the fight, they are by no means seasonal or limited. And that's what PVP rewards does wrong. If Ultimate weapons were only given to say, the first 10 teams to clear across a data center (that would be 80 people, so close to the amount of a Feast leaderboard standing) raiders would lose. their. minds. There would definitely be competition - but to the detriment of health/sleep/work/school/relationships.

Comparing PvP seasonal feast reward style to PvEs is like comparing an apple to an orange. They do NOT work the same way as each other by design. Using this as a point is flawed before its even started since one is ridiculous in play when the other Is not.

Plus, when you limit something like this, to only a select few, people will do everything they can to get that shiny thing

That's the point of the rewards - Incentive. Incentive to compete in the rankings to secure that spot for highly valued items, It is human nature after all.

Including buying their way to the top or using third party software programs to cheat. So no, PVP is not some amazing echelon of skill. That's not to say that the players who love it aren't skilled - many are, but don't think for a minute that some people won't resort to TOS-breaking measures to make up for the skill they lack.

To those who do cheat / boost what have you Its honestly quite pathetic on many levels since realistically its not hard at all, doesnt take much skill to enter the top 100 anyway, usually the skill peaks around top 30, top 10 is where things get quite "sweaty" if you will.

[Nerini]

Release the contest items too

[Stormfur]

Comparing PvP seasonal feast reward style to PvEs is like comparing an apple to an orange. They do NOT work the same way as each other by design. Using this as a point is flawed before its even started since one is ridiculous in play when the other Is not.

That's the point of the rewards - Incentive. Incentive to compete in the rankings to secure that spot for highly valued items, It is human nature after all.

To those who do cheat / boost what have you Its honestly quite pathetic on many levels since realistically its not hard at all, doesnt take much skill to enter the top 100 anyway, usually the skill peaks around top 30, top 10 is where things get quite "sweaty" if you will.

Then why are there no exclusive rewards for other equally-challenging/time-consuming rankings? There are leaderboards for the top Frontline users, top Free companies, top POTD/HoH scores...but those don't matter except to see your name on a web page. Are they not just as hard and involved? I'd say they are -- more so than Feast.

The whole Feast system is flawed by design, because it's not just about your skill or your ability to work as a team - it weighs heavily on whether you are matched with teammates of equal skill/coordination, and given the small pool of players, it's entirely possible to be on a team full of Gold players and a Bronze healer. You know that no matter how skilled YOU are, that healer is going to get curb-stomped. And that affects YOUR ranking. You can't even talk to them to explain what to do (that's how I first learned to Feast) because there's no chat.

We need a greater pool of Feast players, but we won't get them until the devs take some action on the reputation that Feast has as being a cesspool of cheaters and boosters, not to mention their ironclad grip on rewards that are 4+ years old now. At the very least, they could give us versions of those rewards that could be obtained with Wolf Collars, and then circulate the rewards again so that more folks can have a chance (and do something about the lack of rank decay and constant alts on the board).

Feast just feels like the mushroom of the FFXIV world

[Crit]

hypercasuals want their desired items because they dont have the skill and dedication to get it themselves


put gaelicap in the mogstation while you're at it