Make old feast rewards somehow available again

[Nova_Rox]

The only issue with the pvp are the pvp communities themselves. A lot of people out there like competing and wouldn't mind spending time trying to climb elo, but the average pvper turned the competition grounds of every single online game into an insult/afk fest that most people are aware of and avoid for sanity reasons. A terrible place filled with terrible people. Every losing team is always bashed, insulted or chat spammed by someone. Every, single, time. No reward is gonna make up for this. SE is perfectly aware and the SB PvP revamp was precisely aimed to partially solve this. Complete chat disable (the community must certainly feel very proud of it) and a massive reduction of the skills available to try and make things more simple and accessible for the casual player. What's the result? The average pvper (far from learning a thing after the chat lock) still finding ways to harass through afk or mark emote spam and the newcomer completely dissuaded by a normalized terrible behaviour that is given in almost every pvp match.

Personally, I think they should make the old rewards available, and not through ranked but normal. In normal games the mood completely changes and the kind of people there plays the mode to legitimately have fun. All SE has to do is lock the rewards behind achievements that can't realistically be obtained through botting.

Huh.

Funny enough if you join any of the popular PvP discords you will see that there is respect amongst us, even when things get heated. Yes, there are 1 or 2 bad apples, but I ask you go do raiding in PF and see how many bad apples you run into. I guarantee you will get a different person daily.

This whole idea that the PvP community is toxic comes about from PvE folks getting stuck in low ranks and, guess what, doing PvP with other PvE only folks that think they're the hottest thing in Eorzea because they win duels and Frontline matches.

I know two incentives that would work: *cough* rank decay *cough* bring back chat *cough*

I'm all for rank decay too, but too many folks cling onto it as their saving grace to get out of the low ranks. It isn't. It'll definitely liven the top 100 race though that's for sure.

There were (and still are) a good number of hackers in Feast. And some of them have been caught and put on display in Twitch and Youtube. I'm not linking to them because of Forum rules, but you can see one guy up on the walls of the arena, raining down fireballs and no one can reach him. Another sprints constantly with no cooldown. And that says nothing of the exploit where people used Palace of the Dead pomanders in Feast and became Manticores and beat the snot out of their rivals. Were they ever punished or do they still retain their ranked rewards?

(As a side note, it would be really cool to have a pvp mode where there were transformation pomanders!)

There are cheaters for sure, but it really isn't as rampant as people believe. I also hold out hope that SE is going to start monitoring this more, they already disqualified a bunch of people from FRC due to cheating.

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On topic: I say this as someone who has been doing PvP since Secure was the most popular PvP mode, do not offer older rewards anywhere. I have never placed top 100, but I have been playing for a long time. Would I love the top 100 armor? Yeah, for sure. But I also respect those who have taken the time to get top 100.

Do I think there should be something obtainable for wolf collars? Something nicer than the weapons currently offered? Hell yeah! Give us armor, give us a sign next to our name that shows our ranking, give us cool titles, ANYTHING! Right now the big problem is that most low rank folks see top 100 as an impossible obstacle, and to some it really is. Give an incentive and the low rank community -should- start to thrive. Right now the biggest issue is that low rank folks sneak into the games of other top 100 level players which isn't fun for anyone involved. The low rank gets stomped and has no idea why, the better players are left with a bad taste after losing due to a silver healer.

I think the FRC titles are a good start and I will be wearing mine proudly. Why? Because it's unique. It shows everyone "hey. I PvP and i like it"

Give me more of that, SE!

[Kaiche]

I would prefer they scrap feast and make a different kind of competitive pvp mode that is more fun whilst still having the reward system as is with top 100. Feast in its current state isn't the most enjoyable thing in the world however there was a time where It was a lot of fun. Moving on to the rewards, gonna say the same thing others and I always say, just get top 100 its pretty damn fricking easy now. I do want them to add more rewards for wolf collars perhaps glow versions of the shop armour we see from the vendors or even upgraded garo type armour but all in all u cant treat this the same way as PvE's reward system as you're just comparing apples to oranges, It's not how things work.

[Kaiche]

They give out reskins every 2nd season, even if you don't make it the first time, you still got a shot on it. You just shouldn't start with your climb in the very last week or when everybody else is sleeping on your datacenter.
You will get diamond with a 47-49% winrate. On some datacenter this means top10 atm. What I want to say with this, it is not that difficult to get top100 these days, even more so when you played last season and start at a higher rating in the next.

Idk why people who aren't that good or "dont have the time" dont queue for the reskin season, since vets dont play as much which in turn keeps the rankings down for easy placing. You need minimal pvp knowledge to place into gold these days.

The only issue with the pvp are the pvp communities themselves. A lot of people out there like competing and wouldn't mind spending time trying to climb elo, but the average pvper turned the competition grounds of every single online game into an insult/afk fest that most people are aware of and avoid for sanity reasons. A terrible place filled with terrible people. Every losing team is always bashed, insulted or chat spammed by someone. Every, single, time. No reward is gonna make up for this. SE is perfectly aware and the SB PvP revamp was precisely aimed to partially solve this. Complete chat disable (the community must certainly feel very proud of it) and a massive reduction of the skills available to try and make things more simple and accessible for the casual player. What's the result? The average pvper (far from learning a thing after the chat lock) still finding ways to harass through afk or mark emote spam and the newcomer completely dissuaded by a normalized terrible behaviour that is given in almost every pvp match.

Personally, I think they should make the old rewards available, and not through ranked but normal. In normal games the mood completely changes and the kind of people there plays the mode to legitimately have fun. All SE has to do is lock the rewards behind achievements that can't realistically be obtained through botting.

You say this all the time in many different threads that have almost nothing to do with toxicity, Im starting to think its you... All the "Toxicity" that you apparently are barraged with every moment you step into anything related to PvP is not a valid reason why old rewards should be back and your logic for this makes absolutely no sense since this "normal mode" will be converted into competitive like the normal mode since it has the rewards tied, you really think the "mood" will change? lmao. Rewards tied to pvp will always be competitive... THATS THE POINT! This isn't casual frontlines.

Extreme generalization and falsities, You're not one to talk by the way about toxicity anyway, I remember playing with you in the earlier seasons and you used to spam the hell out of chat with Nice jobs and ignore marks, ironic isn't it?

[NessaWyvern]

How can 1 guy out of 100 be "only the cheats have it"? Your wording is off and people here sometimes don't know it better (because it is some time ago now).
And are you sure you mean feast and not frontline? Because playing with your PvP fc sounds a lot like playing frontline with them.

Season 1 and 2 had probably the least issues with boosters/cheater/wintrader, competition was high, and lots of good players played it. The mode was too new for something like that.

First of all, when I said some mounts I meant the 4v4 partied feast. Each person in the party counts towards the rankings separately so if you have 1 group wintrading, that's 4 top 10 spots taken. Two groups? That's 8 spots taken.
Wintrading was not new even before the feast came out, as people wintraded in the wolves den since it came out for the titles.

Oh, and you could play with your fc in partied feast (bring along 3 of your FC mates, it's pretty fun, if more than 3 wanted to play with you, you would take turns or make a 2nd group) and your fc can also all queue for solo queue separately, as mine did in 1v1 when the feast popped because we were all excited about it. I indeed know the difference between frontlines and the feast.

[Kaiche]

First of all, when I said some mounts I meant the 4v4 partied feast. Each person in the party counts towards the rankings separately so if you have 1 group wintrading, that's 4 top 10 spots taken. Two groups? That's 8 spots taken.
Wintrading was not new even before the feast came out, as people wintraded in the wolves den since it came out for the titles.

Oh, and you could play with your fc in partied feast (bring along 3 of your FC mates, it's pretty fun, if more than 3 wanted to play with you, you would take turns or make a 2nd group) and your fc can also all queue for solo queue separately, as mine did in 1v1 when the feast popped because we were all excited about it. I indeed know the difference between frontlines and the feast.

Well, In LP S1 and S2 LP I can agree that it had some wintrading issues partly because it was pretty dead in general after the beginning hype however, wintrading in general isn't as bad as people like to make it out to be, It happens quite rarely - the community shuns those who cheat, boost, hack and try to report and get the GMs to do something about it. Doesn't mean "only the cheaters have it" but I can understand when you see one of these people doing these things it leaves a bad taste in your mouth.

The only thing that irritates me is that you may have that one dude who is a repeat offender who doesn't get banned and also the "GMs cant take outside evidence" when things like clips and recordings are blatant evidence. With that said, High majority are legit, but you may get that one rotten apple. This shouldn't discredit those who work for it legitimately.

[Gallus]

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You can tie/add rewards to a normal mode and not make it competitive. Competitive means ladders, tiers and elo. Things at which people have repeatedly demonstrated uncapable to deal with while behaving like civilized human beings.

You're not one to talk by the way about toxicity anyway, I remember playing with you in the earlier seasons and you used to spam the hell out of chat with Nice jobs and ignore marks, ironic isn't it?

It would be ironic if it wasn't for the fact that you are downright lying. I've never used the chat like that. I don't even have macroed the words "Good Job". The only macro I used was "Hello", and that was to let the other DPS know my burst was ready. That's all I used. Saying otherwise makes you a liar.
As for marking, I've never used Ignore Marks on anyone, win or lose. Never. The only marks I used were the 5, 4, 3, 2, 1 numbers that would pop up after a burst macro.

The things you said I did are amongst the ones that disgust me more as a player, so I find it particularly insulting that you go around saying I used to do those things too.

[Kaiche]

You can tie/add rewards to a normal mode and not make it competitive. Competitive means ladders, tiers and elo. Things at which people have repeatedly demonstrated uncapable to deal with while behaving like civilized human beings.

You're completely missing the point, if you add top 100 rewards to the unranked queue all that means is that now we have 2 seperates queues for no reason, doesnt keep the chill mood of it being unranked and anymore better than ranked. It morphs into ranked version 2 do you not see? Achievement rewards was the best for this when we had 8v8.

Why would I need to lie? lol... yes you have I've played with you enough in-game to know and I'l tell you this, things like practicing whm randomly in plat queues is going to make people angry because healer is the most important job and for someone to test it out is basically selfish and throwing so thats on you, people lose rank cos of you so what do u expect? If you get a diamond player who gets a plat healer and gets 600d in like a minute because he doesnt know his job at all and doesnt practice beforehand who isn't going to be mad at that?

Perhaps at first you didn't do those things you mention but I remember, I probably have some footage of it as well since I record a lot of my matches, past and now but lets keep pretending shall we? Victimization is silly, nobody is going to be toxic for no reason and especially nobody is gonna contact you after for no reason neither, come on now.

Either way you act like you've never let that salt go in years. Let it go,your exaggeration is extreme dude and at the end of the day I personally havent had any toxicity in what, probably a year +. Majority of players who contact players talk it out civilly unless you're one of those players who arent open to help or advice. I'm not saying A-holes dont exist but lets be realistic. I'd like to also clarifify that ignore marks general mean you are doing something really bad thats weighing down the team, if you or someone gets offended by such a simple mark then seriously, stay away from competitive modes or games.

[Kooper16]

You're completely missing the point, if you add top 100 rewards to the unranked queue all that means is that now we have 2 seperates queues for no reason, doesnt keep the chill mood of it being unranked and anymore better than ranked. It morphs into ranked version 2 do you not see?

I think you are exaggerating. Me (and surely enough other people who do the Frontline daily) still need victories for our mount achivements. When I lose, I just try again because there is nothing I effectivly lose. Ranked on the other hand looks completly different. Ranked is supposed to, well, rank the player. If you want to show how good you are and if you want trophies, you should play ranked. A rank and trophies are tied to you winning some kind of competition. Glamour and mounts on the other hand are not!

[Kaiche]

I think you are exaggerating. Me (and surely enough other people who do the Frontline daily) still need victories for our mount achivements. When I lose, I just try again because there is nothing I effectivly lose. Ranked on the other hand looks completly different.

Exaggerating what? Adding top 100 glams and mounts to unranked queue is ridiculous and makes absolutely no sense, of course if u lose in a frontlines match its whatev's but thats not the point here Im saying that if u add these things to the unranked queue as well what is that going to change? vets will go there 2 and now we have duplicate queues for the same thing, Having it just say "unranked" isnt going to suddenly make it better is it lol there is no logic in this.

Ranked is supposed to, well, rank the player. If you want to show how good you are and if you want trophies, you should play ranked. A rank and trophies are tied to you winning some kind of competition. Glamour and mounts on the other hand are not!

You just contradicted yourself here by saying if you want "trophies" you should play ranked but you are saying top 100 rewards shouldnt have glams and mounts... why? The rewards are there for incentive AND for people to compete. Great rewards = Better competition. This is a ranked competitive mode after all so why shouldnt rewards be there? This is literally the point of competing!! for a good prize. You saying glams and mounts are not suitable for top 100 has no weight whatsoever.

[Kooper16]

I also play a handfull of other competitiv games and guess what I get when I play ranked: A small little "trophy" with the color of my rank in the last season for every season. Nothing else. And there are still a lot of people who play both modes. People who want to have competition play ranked. Those who just want to try things or want to only have fun play unranked.
And maybe I should be more clear on what I mean trophies. I mean litteral trophies. Trophies you can put into your house or titles that specificly tell "Guy who reached rank 1 in season 8". Not mounts and glamours that could also be associated with something else if they weren't already implemented this way into the game.