What do you think was the worst thing this game experienced from 2.0 until now?

[Xau]

It's purely optional content

problem whit eureka is what many people wants the relic, which is locked behind a mediocre piece of content what is no fun for a good amount of people, some people don't do it, some people do it just because the relic is in there, even if they don't enjoy the grind, even if they hate it, i am sure what if eureka didn't had the relic it could have ended up mostly dead after 1 week whit just a handfull of players doing it

[RiyahArp]

problem whit eureka is what many people wants the relic, which is locked behind a mediocre piece of content what is no fun for a good amount of people, some people don't do it, some people do it just because the relic is in there, even if they don't enjoy the grind, even if they hate it, i am sure what if eureka didn't had the relic it could have ended up mostly dead after 1 week whit just a handfull of players doing it

The original atma phase of the ARR relic was even less of a fun grind. Getting all the weapons and the Yokai watch second mount was more of a mindnumbing grind, since there was nothing at all added to the game, it was just grinding old fates. It is really not that bad compared to other content or events in the game. Its just recent, so it looms large in everyone's mind.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

The original atma phase of the ARR relic was even less of a fun grind. Getting all the weapons and the Yokai watch second mount was more of a mindnumbing grind, since there was nothing at all added to the game, it was just grinding old fates. It is really not that bad compared to other content or events in the game. Its just recent, so it looms large in everyone's mind.

I would happily do Yokai again over Pagos, and I despised that event. The difference is I could take my time, socialize or even progress it solo should I choose. With Pagos, I am forced to spend hours upon hours on mindless trash or fall behind, thus making the leveling process even more difficult. I can also queue for things like roulettes and kill FATEs while I wait. Can't do that in Pagos. And heaven help if you want to take a short break. Whelp, you just screwed over your party or they kick you and now you're stuck looking for a new one. Another gem, since I know how much you hate parsing. Due to the chain demands, people have started using parsers to determine if everyone is contributing a good amount of damage, and kicking them if they aren't.

All that said, shouldn't the developers aspire to "better than Atma and Yokai?" I mean, that's like saying "I get a D-. At least it isn't a F."

[RiyahArp]

I would happily do Yokai again over Pagos, and I despised that event. The difference is I could take my time, socialize or even progress it solo should I choose.

..you can do that now. A lot of this is a player issue. There's nothing stopping people from taking it slowly, duoing or light partying it, taking breaks in the middle of the grind to chat. You mention parsers, but...again thats a player issue. The game issues exist and revolve around them trying to nerf the fate train too much, then underreacting by just boosting the fate train without fixing the issues. But they can't be blamed if players make it also a joyless slog on their end. The content isn't really going anywheres that you need to hardcore grind it to get everything in two weeks to a month.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

..you can do that now. A lot of this is a player issue. There's nothing stopping people from taking it slowly, duoing or light partying it, taking breaks in the middle of the grind to chat. You mention parsers, but...again thats a player issue. The game issues exist and revolve around them trying to nerf the fate train too much, then underreacting by just boosting the fate train without fixing the issues. But they can't be blamed if players make it also a joyless slog on their end. The content isn't really going anywheres that you need to hardcore grind it to get everything in two weeks to a month.

Except you fall behind, and in content like Pagos that will make the task exceptionally harder since it's extremely un-solo friendly. FATEs scale to your level whereas Pagos doesn't since our Magia board doesn't increase in this iteration. Not to mention, Yokai never loses its value as it's only an objective for collectors. The relic used to be a decent alternative for casual players or people wanting to play alt jobs. Now it's trash come two weeks from today. At least from a stat perspective.

And it isn't the players making it a "joyless slog." They're simply being efficient because a good number don't even want to be there. Pagos is simply designed to be a joyless slog.

[MomomiMomi]

The content isn't really going anywheres that you need to hardcore grind it to get everything in two weeks to a month.

The content may not be going anywhere, but the rewards are. They'll be obsolete in two weeks.