Thread: What do you think was the worst thing this game experienced from 2.0 until now?

Originally Posted by SendohJin

i don't know how everyone who is saying Eureka is not suffering from massive recency bias.

Diadem is HW Eureka and was done much less and completely abandoned by both the playerbase and devs. there's no comparison between the two for which is worse.

The only reason players are doing Eureka more than Diadem is because it has relic attached to it. You can't compare the two based on participation because it's an unfair comparison.

Original atma farm.

Originally Posted by Ameela

I'm going to decide to be a contrarian.

I dislike Eureka as much as the next person, but as long as the Animus books for the ARR relic exist I'd hesitate on calling it the worst thing that's happened to the game, even after nerfs.

Hmm, nah. Depends when you did them.

The original Atmas were, a pain in the butt, and you could spend all week trying to farm them without getting one. I recently tried this with a different relic weapon and it was first-try every time except for one. Given, solo'ing all the FATE's as well. So it could be chalked up to how FATE's were being farmed before, being awful.

However. The steps spent the most amount of time/money on have not changed. It costs an insane amount of money to get the required crafted weapon to start the relic weapon on all servers, so that is an insurmountable obstacle to even starting the ARR Relic for players who can't spend their entire amount of gil made to date to get them and the materia (which is about 300k up to that point.) The Novus step is also insanely expensive.

The Atma and Zeta steps are just time consuming because of RNG.

The Anima weapons on the other hand have tediously annoying steps that is only shortened by the re-pricing of poetics with 4.0, that being because every step involves spending large amounts of poetics. Particularly the reconditioned step.


With Eureka, the weapon you get from doing all this work, is already surpassed by doing other content. So there's no point in even doing the content, and I think that's the issue SE either forgot or didn't take into account. If they wanted us to get the i330-i380 weapons from this content, they would have had to have not released any other content with any better gear. But that didn't happen and instead HoH is the most efficient way to get a i365 weapon while the best weapon in the game is i375 (UwU or Sigmascape 4.0 Savage) , and the i370 (Dai-Ryumuaku gear) can be had by doing the 24-player raids.

So what is the point of doing Eureka? Like this content would have to last six months to be worth the effort, and it's looking like Eureka should have been released before Sigmascape to have mattered. Pagos only gets you to i370 with the weapon... which is what you can already get with Dai-Ryumuaku gear. Again we're basically given content that has already been surpassed. Whatever comes out next (Alphascale) will surpass it, so for most players, it is simply not worth the grind.

Eureka may not be the single worst thing SE has done (that I would award to losing the V1.0 cutscenes/engine/models) but it's certainly the worst thing that seems to run counter to the design goals of the game.

Like if I could even offer a suggestion as to how to change this, go back to the drawing board and actually come up with gear that "evolves" like how the previous relics have evolved, but have them evolve across patch versions. So that means go back to 2.x and 3.x and allow those weapons to "fuse" into a 4.0 weapon, and from that point, in every patch, have the weapon gain a few levels through direct use in late 4.x and all 5.x content rather than "grinding light" for one step and then throwing the weapon away. Like for the 5.0 MSQ instead of being offered i4xx weapons, offer no weapons at all. Offer one pot during MSQ that level-ups the weapon you're using, and if you want to level up other weapons at the same time, you'll have to repeat the dungeons again with that other weapon, but they have to be roulette or minimum ilevel to count (no unsync) aka "leveling" route, or you have to craft the upgrade parts (crafting route) to skip it.

And if we're really going to get into how to improve things, just put three separate substats pages on the weapon. One for PvE, one for Raid and one for PvP, and allow each segment to change, even if it's glamored over by other gear. Bonuses applied to PvP and Raids only apply when in that content, thus allowing PvE content to actually be tighted up without having overpowered raid gear making it too easy.

Originally Posted by Lambdafish

Adding unsync to the game. ... Not saying its bad in theory, it does have some good points, but the way it is implemented is really poor.

Yup, this here.


Close runner-up is the Mog Station. Even overlooking the pricetags and the part where XIV is a subscription MMO with paid client/expansions, I cannot get with selling seasonal event items on there the following year instead of them being available again during subsequent events of the same name/type. I also echo the sentiment that character-related stuff should be rewards from in-game quests/content, like there's absolutely no reason Edda's attire should be on the Mog Station instead of being rewards for PotD. Don't even get me started on that tattered Hildibrand set nor the Heavensward garb.

Following that up, all the minions/mounts/orchestrion rolls packaged into physical merchandise. If they want to make that stuff (the physical merch) available to fans, that's great. Adding in the "bonuses" is a bit much for the same reason as above.

Originally Posted by K3KW4RCHILD

I may be out of touch, so bear with me. How in the world are players filling up and needing more storage?

You may or may not see this, but for me:

lv50 gear = 124 slots (Ironworks + Dreadwyrm) [Retainer]
lv57 gear = 60 slots (Halonic + 5 crafted rings) [Retainer]
lv60 gear = 144 slots (Shire + Alexandrian + Proto-Ultima) [Retainer]
lv67 gear = 60 slots (Yanxian + 5 crafted rings) [Retainer]
lv70 gear = 107 slots (AF3 + accessories) [Armory Chest]
Glamour gear/items = ~50 slots [Retainer]
Relic weapons = 23/13 slots [Retainer/Armory Chest]

Total = ~463 slots taken on Retainers (due to layout; don't have all of the raid gear yet, particularly the Alexandrian stuff since I've yet to bother entering A12S)

Purged lv30~49 gear when RDM and SAM released at lv50, would do the same with lv50+57 if 5.0's jobs start at a higher level. Was a hell of a mess in HW when I was leveling everything through to 60; one of the primary motivators was so there would be less inventory clutter. Don't really need all of it, in particular 3 of each accessory type in the lv60 bracket, but I care enough to swap stats so I feel this should be more or less the minimum available for free. Doesn't factor in things like my tacklebox (Chocobo Saddle), foods/potions, and other miscellaneous items such as stockpiled materia (G5/G6 only). I don't carry or hoard crafting/gathering materials on my character; that's what the FC chest and an alt are for.

I compromised and put the bulk of leveling gear into retainers #3 and #4 so I would only have to pay for them in the first ~2 1/2 months of expansion launch, but that's still not really ideal. More ideal than bothering with Tomestones and upgrades again, though.

12 hour queues for Frontlines. Always Shatter.

Originally Posted by NessaWyvern

Back in 2013, before they fixed the latency issues in Titan HM and you had to do it for the relic, that was when FFXIV was at it's worst .
Tumults, in the center, you move out, but the game didn't think so, you insta-die. Landslides? Move out, still get hit, another instadeath.
I found it particularly bad, as the latency issues combined with my NZ latency was the worst.
The toxicity was at an all time high, directed at anyone that got knocked off. I often got knocked off with landslide even if I moved before the telegram appeared on the ground, it was the first and only time I was told "it's not latency, you're just bad" and "uninstall the game and kill yourself" lol. The only time I ragequit the game also (my poor chocobo doesn't have the starlight barding because of it).

When they fixed the issues, I cleared it like a breeze, the game got good again :P But those were some dark days.

Eureka is nothing compared to ultra-latency titan relic trial.

This was really awful. Nobody understands my hatred for the Titan fight. idc how easy it is now - I'm traumatized and will never do it lol.

I started playing FFXIV few months before the release of Heavensward and I can say that the worst part of the game, to this day, was the way new people got left behind in the two MSQ dungeons. Nearly quit the whole game after doing them. That was truly the lowest point in this game to me, glad it got better after that.

As for the Eureka many people are still complaining about, I remember not enjoying the beginning of the Anemos, that was mostly because everything was unknown and no-one knew what to do, the fate train got really boring later. I personally quite enjoyed my first two weeks in Pagos. It had a nice sence on exploration, mystery and danger. Fates were fun, people died left and right and they felt special in the beginning. Even finally unlocking teleports felt more rewarding than beating savage sigmascape. Relic weapon glamours seemed also ok, at least dragoon looked neat, item levels have become so meaningless I just view all loot as glamour, even savage drop.

The whole mob grind never seemed that much of an issue, same as mindlessly doing same old rotation in the mind-numbingly easy dungeons, trials and raids for the thousand time. At some pulls it could actually get quite stressful. Was nothing special really.

Pagos felt like something new in this game, it had that feeling of community, people helping each other, sharing information and trying things out. After the patch it became quite a hell hole with the people who don't want to even be there shouting and fates popping so fast there was no time to do anything else but run for them.

If anything, I'd rather do Eureka than PotD.

Originally Posted by KisaiTenshi

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I wasn't talking about Atmas though, I was talking about the god awful books which require you to go back and forth across various areas (often ones that are really annoying to traverse) just to kill some easy mobs, or wait 30 minutes for a specific FATE, or do the same Levequests over and over.

Say what you will about how Eureka is designed, if you're following the FATE train at least you can take a break, you don't need to constantly move around various parts of the map just to kill 3 mobs, only to have to go back to kill those same 3 mobs later on...

I've always thought that relic weapons should be something you're able to obtain naturally by just playing the game at your own pace and doing what you want, both Eureka and the ARR books step go against this, but the former at least has the decency of being a mindless grind so you can just turn off your brain and/or AFK if you really dislike it that much.

Also relics have always been behind raid gear until the very end of the expansion, usually they'll make it so even patches have weapons on par with unupgraded tomestone ones, then odd patches are the same as upgraded tome while still being 5 iL below raid.
3.3 had 240 weapons, with A8S dropping 245, then 3.4 had 260 weapons even though upgraded tome ones were 270 and raid was 275.
Eureka is simply following this formula (well, they lowered the even patch weapon's iL by 5 but yeah)