White Raven earring given out at The Rising event 2018

[Enkidoh]

I won't add anything further in regards to the White Ravens being a reward for the event, as I've already stated my own thoughts on that subject, and respect both sides of the arguement.

In regards to the possible return of 1.0's final battle in this event however, in particular a comment someone made earlier about Nael's model apparently existing in the game files, ignoring the possibility that is simply a dummied model that SE has no intention of actually using and was simply in the game files for 'possible future use'; based on the artwork for the Rising, instead of a trial battle replicating the Rivenroad battle in 1.0 (because, technically that is what T9 in Second Coil of Bahamut is already meant to be), it's possible that this event will instead replicate the situation that 1.0 had in the final weeks of service where high-level monsters would invade the three cities and actually attack anyone who happened to be out in the street, including multiple copies of Nael (the artwork shows malboros along with Garlean soldiers with Dalamud looming overhead so that alone is a good indication of how this event is going to turn out, presumably via FATEs that will randomly take place in each city's main street).

Either way, we'll find out in the next few days anyway.

[Iscah]

humiliating

I've seen people use this word a few times throughout the thread. I don't think it means what you think it means.

To humiliate someone is to shame and embarrass them.

Giving away these earrings to other people does nothing to shame those who had them already.

Maybe it devalues their achievement (if you see it that way), but that's not what the word means.

[Alleo]

You should trust that it is their current intent, but realize that it's subject to change later down the line, and make decisions accordingly. Loyalty and appreciation are ideas to be sold to customers because it fosters something akin to the genuine feeling in them. They are something to be cast aside if there is a chance of greater profit elsewhere. This is how business works. You are just a source of income and your dollars are not worth any more than anyone else's dollars unless they are available in a greater amount.

Businesses are not your friends. You are not a friend to businesses. Capitalistic exchange is about mutual parasitism. You try to suck them dry while defending yourself from their attempts to do the same to you. You are only "allies" so long as your self-interest happens to align and not a moment longer.

Thats true, but that does not mean that a business should try to destroy the good will of their customers because that will sell less stuff in the future. Just look at EA and its reputation. It still makes money but the question is how many more it could make if people trusted them and did not believe that they are only into this for the money.

So if SE (or the FF14 team) just breaks promises left and right I feel less like spending money at their company. I bought way more stuff years before but I wont buy things from the mog station or merchandise anymore because I dont want to further give them money. I also only still play this game because there is something that I like but if nothing much changes with 5.0 I will be gone. And the only product that I will buy from SE is Kingdom Hearts 3 because I still have at least some trust for that team. Otherwise they wont see money from me thus a loss for them.

edit: Also about those that say that this topic is absurd and should not go on: Nobody is forcing anyone to still read it. If I for example read a topic that I truly dont really care for then I simply dont read it or stop posting in it. As long as the debate remains civil why is there a problem to continue posting in it? If the GMs believe that its enough they will close it but as long as its open and someone wants to post they should be able to. Because its not like posting here stops anyone from posting somewhere else so there is no harm done.

Also if all languages talk about this (even the JP players) and have people in it that are unhappy, maybe it is a topic that is worth discussing. It does not mean that you have to be of the same opinion but at least respect those that are emotional hurt or annoyed by this and want to talk about it. A topic is not only worth something if its a problem that you have.

If you go through a particular poster's post history and the vast majority of their posts involve complaining about the game then suggesting that they close their browser and/or take their leave of the game is a fair suggestion. I'm not going to beat around the bush and pretend as if this isn't the latest forced controversy for some of the posters who seem to get up in arms over every little thing. It wasn't so long ago that there was a thread with pages and pages of people complaining about the fetch quest tied to the Ridorana Lighthouse unlock sequence. Then when that particular argument wore thing the narrative shifted to bashing Ramza for not being politically correct.

Really? Strange how its always fine to complain if its something that annoys the poster but as soon as its something positive people are overdramatic, should stop playing the game, are not true FF14 fans and more...


Leaving a old quote from you here. If someone else says that people should stop posting if they have nothing to say or are not interested then they are a tone police and yet you also posted that in another thread.

If anything is making the forum unpleasant, it's the very vocal portion of the community that seek to justify everything that the developers do, shouting down even those who post constructive criticism. It's the reason why I no longer bother with Reddit.

If you don't like a thread, nobody forces you to post in it. It's also pretty obvious from the title what a particular thread is going to be about. It's your responsibility to find the threads you like and post in them. Yet let's be honest - it's pretty clear that many of those concerned about 'negativity' enjoy the drama in many cases. They wouldn't be posting stuff like 'can i hav ur stuf' if they were truly so committed to a pleasant, peaceful atmosphere.

I am normally not the one to look up post history because it should not be part of a discussion, but if you go around and point out how others are just complaining and things like that then its enough.

Lets respect both sides and stop putting one side down because it does not fit with ones opinion. And I found the OP and lots of other people to be really respectful and constructive so its not a simple"drama thread".

[rainichan]

My reaction to this entire thread:



That being said, I played 1.0 for a short while. My legacy character got transferred over, she has the tat but that\\'s it. I have the collectors edition of 1.0 in the nifty box with Derplander and Garuda. I have taken down T9, though it wasn\\'t during 2.0 (good on y\\'all who did though, Twintania was the roadblock for my static when Coil was actually A Thing.)

Regardless, do you want to know what I\\'d be cool with them rereleasing? The Onion Helm. Y\\'know, obtained from, iirc, having the collectors edition. I would also 100% be on board for the releasing the Hermes Shoes, something that you got if you had an actuve XI sub at the same time. Why would I want them on my other characters beyond my legacy lala? Because I 1) like the look of them and 2) the added time to sprint in main cities is still there and really nice.

They already released a recolour of the moogle cap you got for preordering 2.0 on the mogstation, but I\\'d also be fine with them giving everyone the exclusives for preordering 2.0.

If you\\'re going to bring up the goobbue mount, don\\'t: they are still TWO DIFFERENT MOUNTS. Y\\'all are letting this issue really steam your broccoli over... norhing much. IIRC they have said that part of this event is going to be difficult, y\\'all don\\'t know HOW the earrings will be obtained, and until you DO know you shouldn\\'t be getting yourself bootyblasted over it. This much salt is bad for you.

[Kaurhz]

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Anyway,

french community claim that this is humiliating to legacy players also.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...ion-des-legacy
threads/373338-La-fête-de-la-Commémoration-2018-humiliation-des-legacy

Disappointing for them perhaps. But humiliating? Nope, what is humiliating to legacy players would be removing the sub discount, getting rid of the tattoo, and removing their name from the credits. That's humiliating. The fight occurred many years ago. I hate being this blunt, Find a new sense of pride. (I'm fully aware that the earrings are not a legacy campaign item, but whilst people make these arguments that it humiliates legacy, these are the responses that will come). Humiliating them by doing a commemorative event, that's about the biggest exaggeration you can come up with.

I guess selling it on the Mogstation may be somewhat disrespectful to the event, but we aren't there yet.

[Yoruichi4478]

Nobody is taking anything away. Nobody is preventing 1.0 players from taking pride in their accomplishments or support for 1.0.

Yet at some point, a line needs to be drawn. 1.0 was five years ago and FFXIV has had not one but two expansions since it launched for a second time. There's going to be another expansion next year.

As someone who actually looks back at 1.0 with a sense of awe and wonder it's actually pretty disheartening to see how some of the 1.0 players are acting within this thread. I offer my immense thanks to those 1.0 players who have been reasonable and are happy to grant those of us who started in ARR and beyond their approval in this endeavor.

I, for one, have been wanting certain items from 1.0 to be added to the game once more. I don't think everything should be unlocked and suddenly made available, though two pairs of earrings is a very minor thing in the grand scheme of things.

So I offer the players who are in favour of the earrings being added my immense gratitude. I'm actually going to make it a point to order a bottle of champagne to coincide with the seasonal event going live. Once I have a pair of the earrings for myself I shall make a toast in honour of those who have used their voice as a means of support.

6 years Theodric, not 5. 1.0 ended in late 2012. Now ARR did launch 5 years ago, so you have that number right.

[Yoruichi4478]

Thing is that Ultimate is a completely new concept, we don't know how SE is gonna deal with it in the future, but we do know how they have dealt with every other challenging fight in the 4 years prior to Stormblood, and it goes in line with how they are dealing with Rivenroad. If Rivenroad is a savage-like fight then what they are doing is no different than what they have done with other savage-like fights, if anything I think the event is gonna take longer to complete than what it takes to do T9 unsynced. If Rivenroad was still accessible you'd probably be able to unsync it faster than any of the current coils just due to its age / item level tuning.

Speaking of the difficulty, only Amiral Benson tried to make a direct comparison to ultimate but kept citing server issues and pings as to why the fight was difficult, but that's not mechanic difficulty like our current ultimate. From what I've seen of the fight in videos it's closer to an XIV extreme primal than a savage fight and the main difficulty came from how terrible the game was at the time. If they were to add that same fight right now with the exact same mechanics but item level tuned to what we have now the fight wouldn't be hard at all.

If you weren't there, then I'm sorry to say, you lack the ability to relate between the 2 games. Not trying to be mean or snotty, you just don't see it with the viewpoint others who did, do.

[Vherkin]

I do agree, i started playing with 2.0 but seeing reward item like this is distasteful.

I just hope they aren't giving it like it is nothing. I hope there atleast a link to the White Raven.

Also it would have been easy to simply name the item Replica White Raven Earring.

[LyraKuroneko]

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Anyway,

french community claim that this is humiliating to legacy players also.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...ion-des-legacy
threads/373338-La-fête-de-la-Commémoration-2018-humiliation-des-legacy

Some may have said that but thankfully we all don't think this at all. Apparently the one making the thread is known for his way of making drama over nothing

[Zumi]

I played 1.0 like I said before I think its a nice idea they are giving them out. Gives people who didn't play 1.0 a chance to have this item. It doesn't have any real use in the game anymore besides cosmetic so I see no problem with them giving it out in the new event it should be fun.