White Raven earring given out at The Rising event 2018

[Sigma-Astra]

But who cares. If you bring nothing to the debate but are happy to ridicule others as being "absurd", you mustn't be a very nice person to begin with. Allow others players to discuss it further if they so wish but don't discredit them, you just create the sense of self rightouesness.

I debated quite a few pages ago with other people and even then, those people we're...well some arguments were far out there so to speak. A forum is a place of discussion, not an echo chamber.

You shouldn't try to start policing who you think has valid opinions and who doesn't when everyone is allowed to have an opinion. You may not like hearing it, but maybe leave baseless assumptions and personal attacks about myself as a person out the door then, you have every right to speak about it as much as I do.

I'm not going to soften my language because it rubbed you the wrong way either. You have a choice. You either ignore what I had said or you don't. But, you don't get to tell me how to phrase my opinions either. It's a public forum.

[Sigma-Astra]

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If you don't like what I had said, well....there's something like an [x] in the corner of your browser. But, I'm guessing that's a lot more effort than what you're willing to put in due to such low quality bait.

[Ruf]

It's been 5+ years since you've had earrings from a fight people either no longer care about or they didn't even know it existed anymore. Congrats, have a cookie.



I got myself through college with a Bachelor's degree, survived a car accident, work two jobs because fiance has nerve/brain damage from said car accident that wasn't our fault and can't work, survived my own suicide attempt, take care of three other people in my household, and still somehow retain a healthy relationship with friends & family despite the fact that any other normal human being might have actually cracked by now due to such extreme pressures. How's that for a zinger on personal achievements and hardships...? And not you or anyone else can tell me otherwise.



^^^^ Yea, I could say the same thing about your very hypocritical statement just above my other reply just now too. Very, very sad indeed.

I wont comment on who i could possibly find hypocrite or not in here but I'll say this :

But who cares. If you bring nothing to the debate but are happy to ridicule others as being "absurd", you mustn't be a very nice person to begin with.

Read a couple posts about players & you get a couple answers

If you don't like what I had said, well....there's something like an [x] in the corner of your browser. But, I'm guessing that's a lot more effort than what you're willing to put in due to such low quality bait.

I find this pathetic, sooo many users keep speaking about baits & trolls, this is pathetic, I honestly wonder how society evolved to this at times.

[Theodric]

I'd just ignore the tone policing, honestly. So long as someone isn't breaching the forum's code of conduct then no poster has any business engaging in such things. If you pay careful attention, you'll note that they never speak up and tell people on their side in a debate/argument to lay off any perceived aggression. It's a common tactic used by certain forum goers in an effort to try and rile up those with differing opinions. Sometimes because they find it amusing and on other occasions because they're hoping to get someone to say something they'll regret so they can be reported.

Let's not forget, some of those pushing for exclusivity didn't even play in 1.0 and/or they have made it abundantly clear that they do not even like FFXIV to any great extent.

[Kurando]

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You just said it yourself, the forum is place of discussion. Therefore if people want to continue to discuss it allow them, and you can also do what you want but show some respect for the people that still feel strongly about the topic. "I think this is absurd, so no one should discuss it further because I'm right and no one else...." Yeah no, that's not giving free reigns to a discussion at all.

No one said your opinion was invalid, but trying to do the same to others with a claim of "absurdity" is no different. It's really not a baseless assumption when it's quite clear in the use of lack of respect. But hey ho, If you have nothing further to contribute, then there is little point to continue being invested in it really, that all. Do what you like....

[Sigma-Astra]

I find this pathetic, sooo many users keep speaking about baits & trolls, this is pathetic, I honestly wonder how society evolved to this at times.

Well, it's pretty easy to see when one person (now, who could that be?) goes back in the thread to re-post old content that's not even directed at them personally. It literally has no bearing on the current conversation either since that was a conversation between another antagonistic user and myself...and then tries to twist it into their silly narrative as antagonistically as possible in hopes that the other person gets riled up and shouts obscenities or whatever at them so that they can have some kind of....make-believe "gotcha" moment that never existed in the first place.

Yea, that's pretty pathetic alright, you sure hit the nail on the head there.

/s

[Sigma-Astra]

Do what you like....

Thank you, I will. You can continue to try and police people's tones if you'd like.

[Theodric]

If you go through a particular poster's post history and the vast majority of their posts involve complaining about the game then suggesting that they close their browser and/or take their leave of the game is a fair suggestion. I'm not going to beat around the bush and pretend as if this isn't the latest forced controversy for some of the posters who seem to get up in arms over every little thing. It wasn't so long ago that there was a thread with pages and pages of people complaining about the fetch quest tied to the Ridorana Lighthouse unlock sequence. Then when that particular argument wore thing the narrative shifted to bashing Ramza for not being politically correct.

In this thread, people have explained their reasons for either wanting the earrings to be accessible or having them remain unobtainable. It's unlikely that many are going to shift their position, though there's certainly no solid consensus on the matter. Yet now that everybody has said their piece, the thread is kept active by a handful of posters...some of which seems much more concerned at this point with taking things out of context and tone policing. It's very strange.

[Tiraelina]

I already addressed this for you probably a dozen pages back.

Then I missed it.

While I guess I can see why you'd interpret it the way you have, I really don't think that's the correct or best interpretation. An earring being obtainable wouldn't clash with the MSQ and earrings are not playable. Additionally, if SE released a content patch that was nothing but new appearances, you can bet people would be on the forums screaming about the lack of content because items generally aren't considered content. In contrast, a content patch that had several new trials, but offered no new items would be recognized as having content, but being unrewarding.

It wasn't talking about the earrings clashing with anything. Coil would've likely already been done the storyboarding phase at this time. Nael Van Darnus in that form had no business being there when all the content they've released had storyline ties outside of collaborations. Coil was literally a love letter to 1.0 among other things.

The fight as it was would probably be as much of a trainwreck (I mean this as incompatible, 1.0 was a different beast) as when Blizzard did their anniversary event with Molten Core because of how much the game changed. Hey guys, look at these old annoying mechanics they had to deal with! Disregarding the spell changes over that many years like dispels having a cooldown. It was still fun even though I had to take the reins of a PuG. It was barely scraping by as "Molten Core" though.

As far as the items not reappearing sooner, that could have happened for any number of reasons. While it's not SE, Blizzard made many item appearances unobtainable when they revamped the old world in Cataclysm. This wasn't done to make them exclusive or prestigious, but simply because they didn't fit into what Blizzard wanted to do and they didn't feel it was worth the effort to preserve them. This meant that for many years many of these items were exclusive to characters that had done certain content prior to the Cataclysm. Nonetheless, Blizzard has brought back some of those old models over time as they saw fit. For instance, a recent anniversary event saw the temporary return of some vanilla world bosses that had been casualties of the revamp scaled up to level cap with level cap versions of their old loot tables, which still used those old appearances. Items that had been unavailable for nearly a decade were suddenly made obtainable again because the unobtainability was incidental rather than deliberate.

I'm pretty certain Blizzard didn't come out and say they were going to stay that way either and actually stated it was being worked on and to report missing items. Things like Arena mounts on the other hand have been though. There won't ever be any new Scarab Lord's either. The Emerald Dragons, Blizzard likes resolving story arcs outside of the game and leaving everyone that was following it in-game confused like Sunwell. Their removal was very much intentional for that reason, I believe it was stated as so as well.

The Grand Marshal/High Warlord gear is also heavily restricted if that character never got those ranks in vanilla. They asked the community later on how they felt about them being made available through RBG's. The community spoke up and they left them as is.

"But the community's impression on prestige items like this is important. We appreciate all of your feedback on the idea."
"Update: Thanks for the feedback. We have decided to not make these sets available."

It's funny for how much I chew out Blizzard for what they did to their other games like destroying modding. They actually communicate changes in WoW. They for the most part actually try to not leave everyone in the dark. That's part of what really gets me over this event, they just dropped it on an event page without a word. I really wouldn't be surprised if they never mention why they did it either. SE's communication has dropped off severely since ARR or even the beta, I'm not sure which anymore.

Similarly, that post makes it sound like the encounter simply wouldn't fit into the framework of what they wanted to do (or needed to do, really) for 2.0. There were no doubt many items that became unobtainable after the Calamity occurred. I don't think it's unreasonable to see some of them pop back up as SE finds places they feel they fit, even if they were perhaps relatively rare in 1.0. I realize you're probably looking at the "only intended for 1.0" bit, but that honestly looks to me like a generic "we don't want to do this" response, in which it basically just restates the situation, but dressed up to look like an explanation.

It's not going to get anybody anywhere trying to discern what made them say it behind the scenes. They're not a small business and this all gets filtered through public relations including YoshiP's antics on stream since the beginning.

When they butter it up as a reason to stay subscribed I feel its pretty obvious what they meant. This situation plainly shouldn't have happened. It's not a walking-on-eggshells problem tying their arm behind their back (not your words). It was a small list of things they stressed to 1.0 players to get, now, if you wanted them because they were going away. There's nothing wrong with them showing a little more value to those that were there at the time.

[Theodric]

To each their own, I suppose. Blizzard may communicate more but it's done in such a way that extensive datamining is allowed and encouraged to the point where pretty much every aspect of a new content patch or expansion is revealed months in advance. That kills any sense of mystery, especially when it comes to storytelling elements. I'm glad that FFXIV does not go down that route, since it allows for more surprises - even if some elements of the game conform to a very predictable model.