White Raven earring given out at The Rising event 2018

[Alleo]

You should trust that it is their current intent, but realize that it's subject to change later down the line, and make decisions accordingly. Loyalty and appreciation are ideas to be sold to customers because it fosters something akin to the genuine feeling in them. They are something to be cast aside if there is a chance of greater profit elsewhere. This is how business works. You are just a source of income and your dollars are not worth any more than anyone else's dollars unless they are available in a greater amount.

Businesses are not your friends. You are not a friend to businesses. Capitalistic exchange is about mutual parasitism. You try to suck them dry while defending yourself from their attempts to do the same to you. You are only "allies" so long as your self-interest happens to align and not a moment longer.

Thats true, but that does not mean that a business should try to destroy the good will of their customers because that will sell less stuff in the future. Just look at EA and its reputation. It still makes money but the question is how many more it could make if people trusted them and did not believe that they are only into this for the money.

So if SE (or the FF14 team) just breaks promises left and right I feel less like spending money at their company. I bought way more stuff years before but I wont buy things from the mog station or merchandise anymore because I dont want to further give them money. I also only still play this game because there is something that I like but if nothing much changes with 5.0 I will be gone. And the only product that I will buy from SE is Kingdom Hearts 3 because I still have at least some trust for that team. Otherwise they wont see money from me thus a loss for them.

edit: Also about those that say that this topic is absurd and should not go on: Nobody is forcing anyone to still read it. If I for example read a topic that I truly dont really care for then I simply dont read it or stop posting in it. As long as the debate remains civil why is there a problem to continue posting in it? If the GMs believe that its enough they will close it but as long as its open and someone wants to post they should be able to. Because its not like posting here stops anyone from posting somewhere else so there is no harm done.

Also if all languages talk about this (even the JP players) and have people in it that are unhappy, maybe it is a topic that is worth discussing. It does not mean that you have to be of the same opinion but at least respect those that are emotional hurt or annoyed by this and want to talk about it. A topic is not only worth something if its a problem that you have.

If you go through a particular poster's post history and the vast majority of their posts involve complaining about the game then suggesting that they close their browser and/or take their leave of the game is a fair suggestion. I'm not going to beat around the bush and pretend as if this isn't the latest forced controversy for some of the posters who seem to get up in arms over every little thing. It wasn't so long ago that there was a thread with pages and pages of people complaining about the fetch quest tied to the Ridorana Lighthouse unlock sequence. Then when that particular argument wore thing the narrative shifted to bashing Ramza for not being politically correct.

Really? Strange how its always fine to complain if its something that annoys the poster but as soon as its something positive people are overdramatic, should stop playing the game, are not true FF14 fans and more...


Leaving a old quote from you here. If someone else says that people should stop posting if they have nothing to say or are not interested then they are a tone police and yet you also posted that in another thread.

If anything is making the forum unpleasant, it's the very vocal portion of the community that seek to justify everything that the developers do, shouting down even those who post constructive criticism. It's the reason why I no longer bother with Reddit.

If you don't like a thread, nobody forces you to post in it. It's also pretty obvious from the title what a particular thread is going to be about. It's your responsibility to find the threads you like and post in them. Yet let's be honest - it's pretty clear that many of those concerned about 'negativity' enjoy the drama in many cases. They wouldn't be posting stuff like 'can i hav ur stuf' if they were truly so committed to a pleasant, peaceful atmosphere.

I am normally not the one to look up post history because it should not be part of a discussion, but if you go around and point out how others are just complaining and things like that then its enough.

Lets respect both sides and stop putting one side down because it does not fit with ones opinion. And I found the OP and lots of other people to be really respectful and constructive so its not a simple"drama thread".

[rainichan]

My reaction to this entire thread:



That being said, I played 1.0 for a short while. My legacy character got transferred over, she has the tat but that\\'s it. I have the collectors edition of 1.0 in the nifty box with Derplander and Garuda. I have taken down T9, though it wasn\\'t during 2.0 (good on y\\'all who did though, Twintania was the roadblock for my static when Coil was actually A Thing.)

Regardless, do you want to know what I\\'d be cool with them rereleasing? The Onion Helm. Y\\'know, obtained from, iirc, having the collectors edition. I would also 100% be on board for the releasing the Hermes Shoes, something that you got if you had an actuve XI sub at the same time. Why would I want them on my other characters beyond my legacy lala? Because I 1) like the look of them and 2) the added time to sprint in main cities is still there and really nice.

They already released a recolour of the moogle cap you got for preordering 2.0 on the mogstation, but I\\'d also be fine with them giving everyone the exclusives for preordering 2.0.

If you\\'re going to bring up the goobbue mount, don\\'t: they are still TWO DIFFERENT MOUNTS. Y\\'all are letting this issue really steam your broccoli over... norhing much. IIRC they have said that part of this event is going to be difficult, y\\'all don\\'t know HOW the earrings will be obtained, and until you DO know you shouldn\\'t be getting yourself bootyblasted over it. This much salt is bad for you.

[Theodric]

Really? Strange how its always fine to complain if its something that annoys the poster but as soon as its something positive people are overdramatic, should stop playing the game, are not true FF14 fans and more...

...but I was specifically referring to people who post nothing but negative comments about the game. When the posters in question have done that for years then suggesting that they try their luck elsewhere isn't an unreasonable suggestion.

[InkstainedGwyn]

...but I was specifically referring to people who post nothing but negative comments about the game. When the posters in question have done that for years then suggesting that they try their luck elsewhere isn't an unreasonable suggestion.

I'm pretty sure everyone knows at least a handful of forum names that show up to loudly complain about every. single. thing. in the game. Literal clockwork, and you can predict their responses to a T. It's never "I love Final Fantasy/this game but this disappoints me and and this is how I want to see it improve" it's "this game is trash, uninspired, and worthless, the devs are literal idiots and I could program something better in my sleep [insert comment about parsing or raiding, probably]". I get that there's a time and a place for scrutiny and I am most definitely critical of several things going on with XIV at the moment, but there's a point at which, as Theodric says, you have to ask: if every single element of this game makes you sick, why are you still paying to play it? (The obvious answer is, of course, is that they want attention, but that's another matter for another day.)

[Alleo]

...but I was specifically referring to people who post nothing but negative comments about the game. When the posters in question have done that for years then suggesting that they try their luck elsewhere isn't an unreasonable suggestion.

And how does that tell you that they dont have anything positive left in the game? You need an active sub to post so I am quite sure that there is still something in the game for them otherwise they would just pay to complain. I post a lot of negative posts too (but also positive ones if a thread for it exists) but I still like the game enough that I pay for it. But the direction it went with the last expansion (thus at least a year) is something that I find horrible.

In the end I quoted you because you said that people should not tone police while youself stated in another thread that people should accept negative opinions and should just not read the thread if they have nothing to say. Which is exactly the opposite of your words here. (We only said that to people that only came back to this thread to state how absurd it is to still discuss it. If they had arguments for or against it, then that would be no problem at all.)

Its just kinda funny to read how its fine to be really negative when its something a poster dislikes, but as soon as its a topic about something they like (like the side quest) its not okay to discuss it negatively and people are then overdramatic, not fans of FF or this game and should quit. You cant have both..either you are negative in some topics and accept that others complain about things you like too or you should be against complains. Taking sides depending on what someone likes is just hypocrisy. (As in saying that complaining is only right if I complain but not if others do.)

[Tiraelina]

And how does that tell you that they dont have anything positive left in the game? You need an active sub to post so I am quite sure that there is still something in the game for them otherwise they would just pay to complain. I post a lot of negative posts too (but also positive ones if a thread for it exists) but I still like the game enough that I pay for it. But the direction it went with the last expansion (thus at least a year) is something that I find horrible.

In the end I quoted you because you said that people should not tone police while youself stated in another thread that people should accept negative opinions and should just not read the thread if they have nothing to say. Which is exactly the opposite of your words here. (We only said that to people that only came back to this thread to state how absurd it is to still discuss it. If they had arguments for or against it, then that would be no problem at all.)

Its just kinda funny to read how its fine to be really negative when its something a poster dislikes, but as soon as its a topic about something they like (like the side quest) its not okay to discuss it negatively and people are then overdramatic, not fans of FF or this game and should quit. You cant have both..either you are negative in some topics and accept that others complain about things you like too or you should be against complains. Taking sides depending on what someone likes is just hypocrisy. (As in saying that complaining is only right if I complain but not if others do.)

Fun fact from the french thread.



I'm sure someone will try to discredit this because they no idea how many times this has been stated by multiple developers. Players insisting everyone with a negative opinion leave and trying to shut down discussion is doing more damage to games.

[Alleo]

Fun fact from the french thread.



I'm sure someone will try to discredit this because they no idea how many times this has been stated by multiple developers. Players insisting everyone with a negative opinion leave and trying to shut down discussion is doing more damage to games.

The thing is I can understand that its getting frustrating if you absolutely love the game and just see constant negative posts about it. But some people really need to remember that those that post at least still care enough to post and not just leave silenty. (I mean some would probably be happy about that but thats not healthy for a game either) And for me I just feel like SE did a lot wrong. Thus I complain more. But I am also one that will give them thumps up if they deserve it in my view. But sadly there was not enough from their side to get that from me recently.

Its just a bit funny if it comes from people that have pages over pages of complains in different threads but as soon as its about a topic they like its bad to complain. That is something that annoys me a bit because it comes over as a bit wrong..

In the end I am happy for anyone that are happy with the game and I wont go into a "I love x in FF14, what do you love about it"-thread and post negative thoughts about it because that would just be a bit petty. The same with the other side. I just never understand why people need to post the question of why a thread is still alive instead of just ignoring it. x) I mean those keep the thread alive even longer with each of such a post.

[Nixxe]

The thing is I can understand that its getting frustrating if you absolutely love the game and just see constant negative posts about it. But some people really need to remember that those that post at least still care enough to post and not just leave silenty. (I mean some would probably be happy about that but thats not healthy for a game either) And for me I just feel like SE did a lot wrong. Thus I complain more. But I am also one that will give them thumps up if they deserve it in my view. But sadly there was not enough from their side to get that from me recently.

Its just a bit funny if it comes from people that have pages over pages of complains in different threads but as soon as its about a topic they like its bad to complain. That is something that annoys me a bit because it comes over as a bit wrong..

In the end I am happy for anyone that are happy with the game and I wont go into a "I love x in FF14, what do you love about it"-thread and post negative thoughts about it because that would just be a bit petty. The same with the other side. I just never understand why people need to post the question of why a thread is still alive instead of just ignoring it. x) I mean those keep the thread alive even longer with each of such a post.

Criticism is one thing, but something somewhat unique to MMORPGs that I've noticed is that many people will let the game stop being merely a game they play and let it transform into a lifestyle. The consequence of this is that many of these players will hang around for years after they stopped really having fun, complaining about every little thing, because they can't come to terms with quitting the game and instead keep playing it in some vain hope that it will spontaneously be as fun as they remember it being. I'm not going to accuse any specific person of that here because I don't use these forums enough to really recognize anyone, let alone know their posting history, but there is definitely a point where complaining ceases to be useful and people really should just quit because they are the problem.