So, how is Pagos?

[TaleraRistain]

The gameplay of Pagos is really old school. Pre-dating WoW / FFXI
Back when leveling was only achievable from exp killing mobs.
Dying resulted in lost exp coupled with the complimentary corpse run, risking dying again (and again and again as rez points were in town and required you to run back through zones of aggro mobs with whatever spare gear). No fast travel.

You had to rely on others heavily - escorting you to your corpse, class with teleportation skills, borrowing spare gear, grouping up to grind using skill 1, 2, X and rinse and repeat.

It's old school EQ camp and grind without the safe camp spots where mobs can be pulled to and crowd control abilities that made that style of play efficient. Oh yeah BLM has Sleep and WHM has Repose, but who lets those classes actually use those? It's AoE everything to death if you get extra mobs in Pagos.

This sort of chain pulling mass numbers of mobs was only possible in EQ because you had the enchanter class (and to a lesser extent bards) that could lock down 6 or 7 mobs for the party to mow down one at a time like an assembly line. Not to mention classes like shamans which could slow and weaken the mobs so the party could mow them down quicker.

I think those are VERY important factors that the devs completely ignored about this style of play. And they're essential for it to be successful.

[Conando]

If the latest "fix" is any indication, the dev team has no idea what they're doing. Reducing the HP of the trash and NM in the useless bunny fates serves no real purpose.

[HyoMinPark]

If the latest "fix" is any indication, the dev team has no idea what they're doing. Reducing the HP of the trash and NM in the useless bunny fates serves no real purpose.

Really curious about their footnote to that: saying more fixes will be implemented "next week and beyond". My question is, what kind of fixes? Or rather, are you going to actually fix things?

[Conando]

To me it just sounds like "We hear your concerns". Can't say I like being a cynic, but this patch cycle really has been the pits.

[BillyKaplan]

To be fair, HP tweaks is one of the things they can do on the fly without too much testing (pfffbt) and deployment hassles. It's what's coming from here on out that's interesting.

[Conando]

The issue is the tweaked the hp in the least helpful manner. As far as I know, the biggest complaints, on hp, were about trash.

[MuseTraveller]

They tweaked the HP of the bunny fate... the one fate no one wants to do. > >;;

[Ash_]

I'm convinced what we say get's lost in translation and is somehow outputted on the other end as "players want easier bunny fate!" ...

In all seriousness the time to grind for the relic this time around doesn't align with the short time until the next patch as a result of Pagos being delayed, and the instance should have been adjusted to reflect the shorter time and to even speed up the relic steps. I wish they would properly acknowledge the issues instead of giving us just a footnote in the hotfix patch notes.

[tetsuo666]

They tweaked the HP of the bunny fate... the one fate no one wants to do. > >;;

You didn't seriously expect them to do something to make Pagos more bearable do you?

Anyway i hear a certain other popular MMO has a new xpack out today i wonder how well that will go...

[Zojha]

I'm convinced what we say get's lost in translation and is somehow outputted on the other end as "players want easier bunny fate!" ...

At this rate we'll get bunny FATEs for men at some point.

Ah well. We'll see what the next proper patch will bring. I doubt they'll roll out any substantial fixes via hotfixes, if they "do" fix anything at all.