Rathalos EX

[RiyahArp]

Now, you can say that some of these rewards, arguably the best ones, are extreme only forcing people to do content they don't want. And how exactly is that different from Garo?!

Garo wasn't skill gated, and it rewarded trying out the different modes of pvp. You could actually stick to unranked modes in Feast if you were unsure, and you weren't wasting your time just because you got zero rewards if you got third place in frontlines. It also reinvigorated certain modes in the game, modes that were really neglected, and a lot of people stuck with pvp because of it.

The yokai watch fate let you act solo or in groups at your leisure, had no pressure, and let you revisit the ARR realms, which at the time were dangerously neglected and often empty for new players. You had choice to do which fates you liked, and again, there wasn't a skill gating issue. You didn't sit their and waste time because of failures.

You also could do both of these at any level, which drew in many more players. here you need to be a 70, and have a pretty high ilvl, and a high level of mechanical skill. No, its not easy, i see people wearing diamond gear get hit as much as others.

[Vaer]

Garo wasn't skill gated, and it rewarded trying out the different modes of pvp. You could actually stick to unranked modes in Feast if you were unsure, and you weren't wasting your time just because you got zero rewards if you got third place in frontlines. It also reinvigorated certain modes in the game, modes that were really neglected, and a lot of people stuck with pvp because of it.

Maybe this collab got people that never tried FFXIV but picked it up because it has MH content in it and vice versa. Probably the point of the collab considering both collabs released near the release of the PC version release of MHW.

Yokai/Garo was super grindy though. I thought you didn't like grind? or is it just because it's skill gated?

[HyoMinPark]

Garo wasn't skill gated, and it rewarded trying out the different modes of pvp. You could actually stick to unranked modes in Feast if you were unsure, and you weren't wasting your time just because you got zero rewards if you got third place in frontlines. It also reinvigorated certain modes in the game, modes that were really neglected, and a lot of people stuck with pvp because of it.

Maybe on Primal, but on Aether, the only modes that popped frequently for Frontlines was Shatter — Secure was still dead-slow during Garo. Any players that it brought into PvP, or who became interested in PvP, very likely discontinued it after the 4.0 changes. I don’t really see them met with much praise.

[kikix12]

Garo wasn't skill gated, and it rewarded trying out the different modes of pvp.

If I do remember well, part of that does include actual wins for the mounts. I may be wrong though. As I said I didn't really care about the event at the time.
If yes, then that is actual skill gating in much the same way as this. Eventually you'll win in PvP...like eventually you'll kill Rathalos.

It also reinvigorated certain modes in the game, modes that were really neglected, and a lot of people stuck with pvp because of it.

Go ahead and show me where I said that the events I brought up were good or bad?! I said that they forced people to do stuff they did not want to do if they wanted to get the rewards. That is very much true.

You think that this will be different?! That it won't draw people that don't touch extreme modes into playing it?! That there won't be players for which it'll be the first actual extreme done without unsynced feature that will start doing harder content afterwards?! As I said, you are creating your own setting to complain, your own narrative. Something that have nothing to do with reality.

Reality is that this event offers quite a lot of value in comparison to majority of events in FFXIV, catering to larger part of the community than many of the previous ones. Larger doesn't mean everyone...but then again...there is no event, no game, no mechanic that will cater to everyone. Hand everyone good stuff?! People that want to earn stuff will hate it. Have people work for stuff?! People that want to take it easy will hate it. Don't give any stuff past the story?! People that want rewards for living will hate it.

[Granyala]

If yes, then that is actual skill gating in much the same way as this. Eventually you'll win in PvP...like eventually you'll kill Rathalos.

No you won't.
You can win PvP no matter whether you yourself are a dud or not. Esp large scale PvP.

You will not ever beat Rathalos if you are too dumb to dodge. The 3 dead = wipe limit will see to that.
This isn't content in which us healers can drag people through by their feet.

[Duskane]

Think people just have to admit content is not for them,
If you want the mount that badly go farm it now or wait till 5.0 when its can be unsync,
But there isn't anything to complain about with rathalos EX its all about knowing his patterns like actual monster hunter.

Part of me doesn't want them to increase drop rate of the mount (since its just 50 scale +)but i can see them doing it in the middle of 4.4

[kikix12]

You will not ever beat Rathalos if you are too dumb to dodge. The 3 dead = wipe limit will see to that.

Once higher gear tiers will be released, eventually when it'll be unsyncable, people will be able to enter it no matter how horrible they are and just run around like headless chicken to avoid being hit while some decent players will finish Rathalos off. So yes. It will take some waiting, but at that point everyone will have a nearly guaranteed chance of winning every single time provided they find a group willing to drag them.

And besides...humans do get better. Rathalos is something people need to learn to do. Sure, there are some technical issues like high-latency that make it more difficult (possibly negating some play styles entirely if high enough), but those apply to all content, hard and easy. Most people if they will keep at it will at least be able to survive while still giving out some hits here or there. It's not like Rathalos demands reflexes and strategic thinking that's physically unobtainable by yer average, healthy Joe or Jane.

[Duskane]

Once higher gear tiers will be released, eventually when it'll be unsyncable, people will be able to enter it no matter how horrible they are and just run around like headless chicken to avoid being hit while some decent players will finish Rathalos off. So yes. It will take some waiting, but at that point everyone will have a nearly guaranteed chance of winning every single time provided they find a group willing to drag them.

And besides...humans do get better. Rathalos is something people need to learn to do. Sure, there are some technical issues like high-latency that make it more difficult (possibly negating some play styles entirely if high enough), but those apply to all content, hard and easy. Most people if they will keep at it will at least be able to survive while still giving out some hits here or there. It's not like Rathalos demands reflexes and strategic thinking that's physically unobtainable by yer average, healthy Joe or Jane.

gear doesn't help some savages and extremes unsync
like people still wipe on Ifirt,Leviathon and Ramuh
also dont know how good that defense up buff on rathalos is at lvl 80
and its only 4 people compared to 8
so its hard to say right now

[LalaRu]

...people still wipe on Ifirt,Leviathon...

This reminds me of Leviabeetus…


(got from this thread)

[Granyala]

Once higher gear tiers will be released, eventually when it'll be unsyncable, people will be able to enter it no matter how horrible they are and just run around like headless chicken to avoid being hit while some decent players will finish Rathalos off. So yes.
And besides...humans do get better.

That entirely depends on how aggressively SE limits scaling in there, so for now: there is no way to know.

According to my experiences: No. Most humans are still way too friggin stupid to use the yellow crystals on Steps of Faith, despite me explaining and telling them every damn time. That content has been out for HOW long exactly?
Eeh don't hold your breath for this communities skill to increase and as you said: SE's crappy Netcode doesn't make dodging any easier.