Rathalos EX

[RiyahArp]

Now, you can say that some of these rewards, arguably the best ones, are extreme only forcing people to do content they don't want. And how exactly is that different from Garo?!

Garo wasn't skill gated, and it rewarded trying out the different modes of pvp. You could actually stick to unranked modes in Feast if you were unsure, and you weren't wasting your time just because you got zero rewards if you got third place in frontlines. It also reinvigorated certain modes in the game, modes that were really neglected, and a lot of people stuck with pvp because of it.

The yokai watch fate let you act solo or in groups at your leisure, had no pressure, and let you revisit the ARR realms, which at the time were dangerously neglected and often empty for new players. You had choice to do which fates you liked, and again, there wasn't a skill gating issue. You didn't sit their and waste time because of failures.

You also could do both of these at any level, which drew in many more players. here you need to be a 70, and have a pretty high ilvl, and a high level of mechanical skill. No, its not easy, i see people wearing diamond gear get hit as much as others.

[Vaer]

Garo wasn't skill gated, and it rewarded trying out the different modes of pvp. You could actually stick to unranked modes in Feast if you were unsure, and you weren't wasting your time just because you got zero rewards if you got third place in frontlines. It also reinvigorated certain modes in the game, modes that were really neglected, and a lot of people stuck with pvp because of it.

Maybe this collab got people that never tried FFXIV but picked it up because it has MH content in it and vice versa. Probably the point of the collab considering both collabs released near the release of the PC version release of MHW.

Yokai/Garo was super grindy though. I thought you didn't like grind? or is it just because it's skill gated?

[HyoMinPark]

Garo wasn't skill gated, and it rewarded trying out the different modes of pvp. You could actually stick to unranked modes in Feast if you were unsure, and you weren't wasting your time just because you got zero rewards if you got third place in frontlines. It also reinvigorated certain modes in the game, modes that were really neglected, and a lot of people stuck with pvp because of it.

Maybe on Primal, but on Aether, the only modes that popped frequently for Frontlines was Shatter — Secure was still dead-slow during Garo. Any players that it brought into PvP, or who became interested in PvP, very likely discontinued it after the 4.0 changes. I don’t really see them met with much praise.

[kikix12]

Garo wasn't skill gated, and it rewarded trying out the different modes of pvp.

If I do remember well, part of that does include actual wins for the mounts. I may be wrong though. As I said I didn't really care about the event at the time.
If yes, then that is actual skill gating in much the same way as this. Eventually you'll win in PvP...like eventually you'll kill Rathalos.

It also reinvigorated certain modes in the game, modes that were really neglected, and a lot of people stuck with pvp because of it.

Go ahead and show me where I said that the events I brought up were good or bad?! I said that they forced people to do stuff they did not want to do if they wanted to get the rewards. That is very much true.

You think that this will be different?! That it won't draw people that don't touch extreme modes into playing it?! That there won't be players for which it'll be the first actual extreme done without unsynced feature that will start doing harder content afterwards?! As I said, you are creating your own setting to complain, your own narrative. Something that have nothing to do with reality.

Reality is that this event offers quite a lot of value in comparison to majority of events in FFXIV, catering to larger part of the community than many of the previous ones. Larger doesn't mean everyone...but then again...there is no event, no game, no mechanic that will cater to everyone. Hand everyone good stuff?! People that want to earn stuff will hate it. Have people work for stuff?! People that want to take it easy will hate it. Don't give any stuff past the story?! People that want rewards for living will hate it.

[Granyala]

If yes, then that is actual skill gating in much the same way as this. Eventually you'll win in PvP...like eventually you'll kill Rathalos.

No you won't.
You can win PvP no matter whether you yourself are a dud or not. Esp large scale PvP.

You will not ever beat Rathalos if you are too dumb to dodge. The 3 dead = wipe limit will see to that.
This isn't content in which us healers can drag people through by their feet.

[kikix12]

You will not ever beat Rathalos if you are too dumb to dodge. The 3 dead = wipe limit will see to that.

Once higher gear tiers will be released, eventually when it'll be unsyncable, people will be able to enter it no matter how horrible they are and just run around like headless chicken to avoid being hit while some decent players will finish Rathalos off. So yes. It will take some waiting, but at that point everyone will have a nearly guaranteed chance of winning every single time provided they find a group willing to drag them.

And besides...humans do get better. Rathalos is something people need to learn to do. Sure, there are some technical issues like high-latency that make it more difficult (possibly negating some play styles entirely if high enough), but those apply to all content, hard and easy. Most people if they will keep at it will at least be able to survive while still giving out some hits here or there. It's not like Rathalos demands reflexes and strategic thinking that's physically unobtainable by yer average, healthy Joe or Jane.

[Duskane]

Once higher gear tiers will be released, eventually when it'll be unsyncable, people will be able to enter it no matter how horrible they are and just run around like headless chicken to avoid being hit while some decent players will finish Rathalos off. So yes. It will take some waiting, but at that point everyone will have a nearly guaranteed chance of winning every single time provided they find a group willing to drag them.

And besides...humans do get better. Rathalos is something people need to learn to do. Sure, there are some technical issues like high-latency that make it more difficult (possibly negating some play styles entirely if high enough), but those apply to all content, hard and easy. Most people if they will keep at it will at least be able to survive while still giving out some hits here or there. It's not like Rathalos demands reflexes and strategic thinking that's physically unobtainable by yer average, healthy Joe or Jane.

gear doesn't help some savages and extremes unsync
like people still wipe on Ifirt,Leviathon and Ramuh
also dont know how good that defense up buff on rathalos is at lvl 80
and its only 4 people compared to 8
so its hard to say right now

[LalaRu]

...people still wipe on Ifirt,Leviathon...

This reminds me of Leviabeetus…


(got from this thread)

[Aeilyi]

Finally got my Rathalos mount today after 50 clears. Feeling happy. xD



My overall experience with the fight felt pretty 50/50. I have cleared as smn/rdm/pld with all sorts of party compositions. The fight didn't feel too difficult. There were some parts that were fun like the unique gameplay and some parts that were aggravating such as having the same person wiping us over and over again or getting one shotted because of weird hitboxes.

But one thing that I can say about this fight is, I never felt bored. I have felt bored in Tsukuyomi's add phase, and Byakko felt boring after running it 50 times. Rath EX kept me awake and on my toes because the fight is not completely scripted.

I just wished that the 3 deaths only for the entire party was not a thing but I can understand because it's MH. It is just, a tiny mistake from one person can completely screw everyone over. On top of that, the most frustrating thing while farming this was having 1 or 2 people constantly dying all 3 times even though the other members had played perfectly. I guess it's my fault and I'm too nice to replace the person ... but pugging this was super rough.

One thing to note about this type of gameplay is it's a little niche, so some people will like it, some people won't. I appreciate this collab because it gave people the chance to experience a completely new gameplay and discover if they will like it or not. If people don't like it, that's okay too.

Also, I know you all keep saying that there's no hard enrage in this fight but believe it or not, I have seen it. Three times!!! We were running 3pld/1 heal so the dps, I realized, wasn't good. I wish I had taken a screenshot, but if you want to go do an experiment, feel free. Trust me, it is there. Lol, He will fly up out of reach and casts his ult again.

Finally, I have some tips. It will mostly sum up the fight.

- If Rathalos is even looking at you, RUN IMMEDIATELY. Don't try and finish that cast!! Rathalos's ugly face = you're dead
- Be on your guard after everytime he finishes an attack, watch which way he turns, then adjust your position. Do that for the entire fight.
- Also, never look away from him (and don't blink?). The moment you do, he will be in your face, like Weeping Angels. I have the poison + burn marks to show for it.

Overall, it just takes quite a bit of practice but you'll get used to it. Keep practicing!
Happy hunting and gl! o/

[kikix12]

gear doesn't help some savages and extremes unsync

Um...You do know that the ones you mentioned have instant-kill mechanics, right?! And those clearly do not care about gear. Some of these mechanics also require more manpower, like Sable when fighting Nidhogg in the dungeon which is an unavoidable instant-kill on a single player making it a super-tight fit where he needs to be killed before he uses that a single time.

Ifrit in particular often wipes unsynced parties because they try to brute-force through him instead of destroying nails. That's an instant-kill and it have nothing to do with gear. If he's down to X% and the nails exist, you lose. Simple as that.

Rathalos does not have any such mechanics (other than the big buffalo whatever). It is pure damage output to input. It is exactly the kind of fight that with good enough stat can be facerolled. Now, I'm not saying that it'll be like that at lvl80, but I am saying that it will be easy enough to defeat at that point that even unskilled/lagging players will be able to beat it.

The defense buff doesn't matter either. It still is downed and loses it. It's not like it'll lose the downing mechanic when you unsync it...