Rathalos EX

[Doki]

I've done 21 successful runs now. It gets easier, just have to learn the animations he does before an attack. For the most part just try to always be on his left foot and you're safe.

A month or so from now when they add the next set of tome gear, this trial will be a joke to complete.

[InkstainedGwyn]

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"I don't want the thing, but I don't want content to exist that I choose not to do."

Did I translate that correctly?

[RiyahArp]

So your REAL complaint is lack of content for yourself.

there wouldn't be a lack of content if they didn't make it an ex trial. By making it ex, they cut off a lot of the playerbase, because a lot of the playerbase simply doesn't like to farm hard content. It doesn't add longevity in the same sense yokai watch and garo did.The hardcore will farm the 50 scales in 1-3 days, and then they have nothing either. The only longevity will be from any casuals who attempt it, and its mostly suffering because its not really fun. They might as well have made it the third ultimate instead for all the good it does.

[Miste]

there wouldn't be a lack of content if they didn't make it an ex trial. By making it ex, they cut off a lot of the playerbase, because a lot of the playerbase simply doesn't like to farm hard content. It doesn't add longevity in the same sense yokai watch and garo did.The hardcore will farm the 50 scales in 1-3 days, and then they have nothing either. The only longevity will be from any casuals who attempt it, and its mostly suffering because its not really fun.

The game does not and will not only cater to you or one single subset of the player base, so you might as well give up on that mindset.

They want to have the game have content for casual and some for hardcore players to keep both types playing. So the normal mode exists for one type and the EX version exists for the other type, it seems fair to me?

I mean what if I demanded that all content be hardcore content like savage and ultimate, you would definitely take issue with that because it is catering everything to only what I want and only to the hardcore players, right? Think about it.

Yet, I don't demand for such a thing because I know that more casual players enjoy the easier content in the game and I want everyone to have something they can do in FFXIV if possible because it keeps the game diverse and active with many different types of players.

[Vaer]

there wouldn't be a lack of content if they didn't make it an ex trial. By making it ex, they cut off a lot of the playerbase, because a lot of the playerbase simply doesn't like to farm hard content. It doesn't add longevity in the same sense yokai watch and garo did.The hardcore will farm the 50 scales in 1-3 days, and then they have nothing either. The only longevity will be from any casuals who attempt it, and its mostly suffering because its not really fun. They might as well have made it the third ultimate instead for all the good it does.

MMO content isn't going to have longevity if you don't like farm content. Might as well quit while you are ahead. It takes them 3 months of work to produce a patch that most people will finish in a week (sometimes a day or two if you play a lot) if you don't want to farm it and ignore extra difficulties.

[SargentToughie]

there wouldn't be a lack of content if they didn't make it an ex trial. By making it ex, they cut off a lot of the playerbase, because a lot of the playerbase simply doesn't like to farm hard content. It doesn't add longevity in the same sense yokai watch and garo did.The hardcore will farm the 50 scales in 1-3 days, and then they have nothing either. The only longevity will be from any casuals who attempt it, and its mostly suffering because its not really fun. They might as well have made it the third ultimate instead for all the good it does.

Why are these complaints only being raised now?

EX trials have been like this since the re-launch of the game.

[Vaer]

Why are these complaints only being raised now?

EX trials have been like this since the re-launch of the game.

Maybe bitter that we keep losing dungeons so they scapegoat Ultimate/Eureka and now this because it seems like it is extra.

[InkstainedGwyn]

Yet again, the EX version is literally the same fight only with increased difficulty. If they "didn't make it EX" we'd simply have the exact same fight... twice? Why? Removing it altogether would give us less content, while being a slap in the face to people who do enjoy harder content (it's hard to consider the feelings of people who aren't you, I understand, but bear with me).

That leaves the only complaint being that the mount only comes from EX and not from NM. Which - again - extreme trials have been a thing since 2.x. It's a well-known feature of the game, and it's incredibly forgiving, given that you can literally solo farm unsync'd Garuda EX in <2m right now. Ravana can be done with 2-3 (I know it can be solo'd, but I can't yet on my RDM) in <2m.

You want the brand new hip item while it's still shiny, stand in line and buy it. If you don't want to stand in line and pay full price, wait until the next version comes out and buy it on sale. This game is insanely accessible to casuals, but that doesn't mean that every single item should be casual from the start.

[RiyahArp]

Why are these complaints only being raised now?

EX trials have been like this since the re-launch of the game.

ex trials accompany other content usually, and special events tend not to have decent difficulty. It's not a case where out of two content items released in a patch, one is an ex trial. I guess I wouldn't mind as much if I wasn't more or less looking at eureka as the only long term content, whether i did the ex trial or not.

[SargentToughie]

Maybe bitter that we keep losing dungeons so they scapegoat Ultimate/Eureka and now this because it seems like it is extra.

ex trials accompany other content usually, and special events tend not to have decent difficulty. It's not a case where out of two content items released in a patch, one is an ex trial. I guess I wouldn't mind as much if I wasn't more or less looking at eureka as the only long term content, whether i did the ex trial or not.

This sounds to me like the playerbase got their expectations way too high for a single trial. It was never going to be able to boey as many gameplay hours as you're quoting through Yokai and Garo. We knew that as soon as they explained exactly what the crossover was: as an instanced trial with 2 difficulty modes.

On that note: did anybody actually enjoy Yokai? At least with Rathalos we've got a novel trial with unique mechanics that we'll be able to revisit and enjoy until the servers go down. Would you have legitimately preferred FATE grinding yourself into the floor for 3 months as an event over what we have?