Where is the "never before seen content"?

[ko_]

To Usho. I dont want to defend the game but I do want to ask what can they change without one losing the bottom line and two what do they change that people will like? Cause they have done things to try to shake the game but none of the stick. And lets be real. Unless they find another way to do it. Tombstones are never going away, the way patches come out aren't either. And why should they? It's set up in such a way that it not only works but also doesn't kill the dev team. Everyone says they want change. But no one thinks of realistic changes that can actually happen. Cause no game flat out changes 90% of what it is cause people get bored.

[Vstarstruck]

To Usho. I dont want to defend the game but I do want to ask what can they change without one losing the bottom line and two what do they change that people will like? Cause they have done things to try to shake the game but none of the stick. And keys be real. Unless they find another way to do it. Tombstones are never going away, the way patches come out aren't either. And why should they? It's set up in such a way that it not only works but also doesn't kill the dev team. Everyone says they want change. But no one thinks of realistic changes that can actually happen. Cause no game flat out changes 90% of what it is cause people get bored.

Name a SINGLE game that copy/pastes itself to this extent. Also FFXIV never " Cause they have done things to try to shake the game but none of the stick" The only thing that comes CLOSE to doing this was diadem and it was not even main line content, but something to do on the side to act as "catch up content"

The only thing I can think of that gets closest to FFXIV's copy/paste progression is sports games and pokemon, and even those do things to change things to an extent. Pokemon you get balancing of typing, new types come out every once in a while, how you go about collecting the 8 badges and elite 4 is done differently and presented differently.

Tomestones do not need to go away, but the 450 cap per week for one job does.

They need to do more then chop up patches into more minipatches in a desperate attempt to keep people subbed though. FFXIV goes WAY overboard with its artificial extending the little content they give out.

[ko_]

Name a SINGLE game that copy/pastes itself to this extent. Also FFXIV never " Cause they have done things to try to shake the game but none of the stick" The only thing that comes CLOSE to doing this was diadem and it was not even main line content, but something to do on the side to act as "catch up content"

The only thing I can think of that gets closest to FFXIV's copy/paste progression is sports games and pokemon, and even those do things to change things to an extent. Pokemon you get balancing of typing, new types come out every once in a while, how you go about collecting the 8 badges and elite 4 is done differently and presented differently.

Tomestones do not need to go away, but the 450 cap per week for one job does.

They need to do more then chop up patches into more minipatches in a desperate attempt to keep people subbed though.

Street fighter, mega man, wow, tera online, sonic the hedgehog wait. He just makes bad games never mind on sonic. The list is bigger. This isn't a new problem. 80% of most games have this issue with people. And it's more than just dia where xiv tried to break the mode. Deep dungeon was new content. So was eureka. Lords of V was one too. My point is and was we can all bitxh about how things got boring. But if that's all people do while throwing insults at other people who disagree then we'll go NOWHERE. You mention the cap needs to go. How do you fix it then so its balanced? I mean I get why it's there but I dont see how they can take it away and not have people rush to get em all in one day.

[Vstarstruck]

Street fighter, mega man, wow, tera online, sonic the hedgehog wait. He just makes bad games never mind on sonic. The list is bigger. This isn't a new problem. 80% of most games have this issue with people. And it's more than just dia where xiv tried to break the mode. Deep dungeon was new content. So was eureka. Lords of V was one too. My point is and was we can all bitxh about how things got boring. But if that's all people do while throwing insults at other people who disagree then we'll go NOWHERE. You mention the cap needs to go. How do you fix it then so its balanced? I mean I get why it's there but I dont see how they can take it away and not have people rush to get em all in one day.

I am talking about the mainstream content, the main stuff you do, LoV failed because it failed to be interesting, I think the FFXI version had more appeal to it then LoV. Eureka is simply fate grinding, that is not new, it has no content outside it. Eureka was not "trying something new" Eureka was trying to pass a half bake, low funded idea and hoping people would like it, even then it is not the mainsteam content I was trying to refer to. All this is side content, they did NOTHING to deviate from the copy/paste of the main content. As for sonic games? least ones I played? that was not reskined, how you did things was different, even from sonic 1, to sonic 2, to sonic 3, and all of them was enhanced by sonic and knuckles. WoW never took a complete expansion of fights, and reskined them. I had to really understand some of the zones and do them a few times before getting it. a lot of FFXIV outside extreme and savage, if you played FFXIV before, you could blind clear 1/1 the newer stuff.

I would not know anything about tera.

What would you rather have people unsub and not try to warn development anything? I am only here cuz I care about the people I friended here, I am actually not subbed and I am getting tired of hearing how they keep copy/paste, like even HoH, all that is, is easy mode palace of the dead, and somehow made it more boring by making 21-29 spam feel boring, and you have to do this to access 31+, palace of the dead never gated you that long before moving up, maybe repeating floors once or twice to move up to the next section.

Also there has been wonderful ideas on these forums here and there that SE simply ignores.

Finally why do you take what I said to extremes? I never said COMPLETELY remove the cap, I said "but the 450 cap per week for one job does." What this means is people need freedom to gear up more then one job or at least gear up more then one role. nice game log in once a day for 5 days to do a 20 minute dungeon to "give casual progression, exciting.....

I do not think it was ever seen before, reskining the original expansion twice while repeating a treadmill every 2 months? or so for years. I guess he meant that.

I want to go back to this, I am sure this is the real meaning of "never before seen" comments Yoshi-P tried to make