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    alimdia's Avatar
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    Ali Lifesaver
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    Request: Can we go back the old patch model? Content is now spread too thin

    Besides the fact that Pagos just isn't fun, a big factor here is that Yoshida delayed Pagos by an entire month and a week just to try to spread content over the patch cycle. If Pagos had come out with HoH we at least would have had some use for that weapon, but as it is right now we're ~4 weeks away from 4.4 with a 30 item level increase, how do we justify having people grind for 2-3 weeks just to use a weapon for 1-2 weeks?

    This was a question actually asked in the last live letter and Yoshida's answer was that they always split content, but content was never spread this thin before, normally we would have 4.3 and 4.35 with every other patch being minor changes, now we have major content being split into 4.3 4.31 4.35 4.36, it just makes the content drought more visible and discourages people from sticking around to wait for new content.
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    Player DrWho2010's Avatar
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    Maximum Powerful
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    if pagos came out same time as HoH no one would be doing HoH. the point of pagos is not to get a weapon you should have gotten better one via clearing god kefka already. the point of pagos is to prep yourself to get the final form of the relic when that is released. you're splitting the playerbase up too much if you release everything right away.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DrWho2010 View Post
    if pagos came out same time as HoH no one would be doing HoH.
    Nope. Every person I know would be doing both, because Pagos is terrible and while a few people may enjoy doing it for hours on end they are in the vast minority. By splitting the patches they're forcing us to focus on each thing ad nauseum until we hate it instead of giving us a variety of new things to keep our interest. This isn't grade school, we don't all have to go to the exact same assembly at the exact same time for it to be successful.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DrWho2010 View Post
    if pagos came out same time as HoH no one would be doing HoH. the point of pagos is not to get a weapon you should have gotten better one via clearing god kefka already. the point of pagos is to prep yourself to get the final form of the relic when that is released. you're splitting the playerbase up too much if you release everything right away.
    By that logic, the relic is pointless throughout. When the final step releases approximately in March should current scheduling remain, Alphascape will have been long since been killed and the relic will offer 120 Determination? Wow... compelling. While I know previous relics have never been much better, they at least were decent progression weapons. With that aspect lost in Stormblood, they really are very grind heavy glamours with little to no purpose otherwise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DrWho2010 View Post
    if pagos came out same time as HoH no one would be doing HoH. the point of pagos is not to get a weapon you should have gotten better one via clearing god kefka already. the point of pagos is to prep yourself to get the final form of the relic when that is released. you're splitting the playerbase up too much if you release everything right away.
    I kind of have this mindset, especially since early information that the Pagos weapon is at ilevel 370, which is the current cap and range for the weapons already available from the patch contents.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DrWho2010 View Post
    if pagos came out same time as HoH no one would be doing HoH. the point of pagos is not to get a weapon you should have gotten better one via clearing god kefka already. the point of pagos is to prep yourself to get the final form of the relic when that is released. you're splitting the playerbase up too much if you release everything right away.
    If pagos came out same time as HoH no one would be doing pagos because it's asscancer trash content.
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    Lele Apex
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    Quote Originally Posted by DrWho2010 View Post
    if pagos came out same time as HoH no one would be doing HoH. the point of pagos is not to get a weapon you should have gotten better one via clearing god kefka already. the point of pagos is to prep yourself to get the final form of the relic when that is released. you're splitting the playerbase up too much if you release everything right away.
    I think most people that already had most Lv70s (which is lot of players if you are active since HOH was added so late) only did it once.
    I havn't done HOH since 1st week cause it same as POTD and serves no purpose to me.
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    Thalia Beckford
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    Quote Originally Posted by DrWho2010 View Post
    if pagos came out same time as HoH no one would be doing HoH. the point of pagos is not to get a weapon you should have gotten better one via clearing god kefka already. the point of pagos is to prep yourself to get the final form of the relic when that is released. you're splitting the playerbase up too much if you release everything right away.
    The relic was always valuable to those who don't do Savage. It was supposed to be the non-raider progression path. Not everyone does Savage. So yes, when the content is released on time, the point IS to get a weapon you intend to use for more than glamour.
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    I like the eureka concept a lot, but I do feel like something is going on these days that’s causing me less interest in the game in general... either content is being spread too thin or less effort is being put into meaningful content and rewards. That and I’ve hit a point where I wish players had never asked for old dungeon/raid gear to be made dyable because I feel like the majority of what we get anymore are reskins and it’s a continual letdown patch after patch especially when the new glamour designs aren’t that interesting, are becoming few and far between, or are $18 in the cash shop.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sakuraluna View Post
    I like the eureka concept a lot, but I do feel like something is going on these days that’s causing me less interest in the game in general... either content is being spread too thin or less effort is being put into meaningful content and rewards. That and I’ve hit a point where I wish players had never asked for old dungeon/raid gear to be made dyable because I feel like the majority of what we get anymore are reskins and it’s a continual letdown patch after patch especially when the new glamour designs aren’t that interesting, are becoming few and far between, or are $18 in the cash shop.
    I actually agree with you. Not only am I losing interest but the patches are actually bringing less content. Look at patch 3.3, it has the same type of content as 4.3 but 4.3 literally has half as much content AND its been spread thin over time. The fact that we get the final piece of content so close to the next patch also makes me just want to unsub til the end of the content cycle so I can enjoy it all at once... But im afraid that doing that will just make me lose interest in the game completely. =/

    So less content combined with spreading that content too thin is just killing my motivation to play this game.
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