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    Quote Originally Posted by Rogatum View Post
    Maybe I am not explain myself properly. Seeking a change to the system is different from asking SE to punish players for actions they have left go unchecked. This question will help you understand where I am coming from, would you be okay if SE punished players for past ToS violations because they made the choice to enforce that rule within the ToS properly?
    I answered your question, several posts in several ways. How you are explaining things is not the issue. I will not accept the idea of the excuse of breaking a rule is "was not enforced hard enough so we can do it again" So why are you breaking it in the first place? To see if you can get away with it?

    I am not asking for a change, I am asking SE to uphold their ToS and to uphold what was said in this video:
    https://youtu.be/BJwPCxau7CA?t=334
    I do not accept your idea defending rule breaking because people got away with it so we can do it more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hamada View Post
    I answered your question, several posts in several ways. How you are explaining things is not the issue. I will not accept the idea of the excuse of breaking a rule is "was not enforced hard enough so we can do it again" So why are you breaking it in the first place? To see if you can get away with it?

    I am not asking for a change, I am asking SE to uphold their ToS and to uphold what was said in this video:
    https://youtu.be/BJwPCxau7CA?t=334
    I do not accept your idea defending rule breaking because people got away with it so we can do it more.
    When a rule is not enforced and goes unpunished for a long time it can easily become the norm. Using third party mods is against the ToS but because they cannot punish people for using it people use it and it is the norm in the raiding community. Rules are worthless without enforcement. It is the enforcement that grants them power.

    I think it has to be with how I am explaining it since you have yet to answer the question that explains where I am coming from. Would you be okay if they did the same thing for other ToS violations like cursing, where they went back and punished players for cursing in the past? That is what you are asking them to punish players for something they have ignored for the longest time. You know how many people would be punished if they went back and enforced every ToS violation someone has made in the past? I do not know you but I am sure at the very least someone you know and enjoy playing the game with has said something that a reasonable person would find offensive. If they went with your idea of punishing players for ToS violation your friend would be punished.

    I am also not defending rule breaking per-se, I just do not think it is fair to ask SE to punish players without giving them a proper a response / warning about the issue. Make an official post on the loadstone, launcher and forums stating that moving forward they will be enforcing their ToS properly. Past violations will not be held against you only ones made moving forward.
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    Last edited by Rogatum; 07-15-2018 at 01:41 PM.
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