We need another Housing purge

[Rogatum]

Moral High ground? For being against something that hurts other players? At least Yoshida has stated that he does not want it and seemingly this is completely in the hand of the GMs. In the end they probably wont do much against sources outside of the game but who knows how they do that ingame. About cursing: You do know that people have been banned from the forums and even got punishment ingame if someone reported them even if they meant the cursing as fun? GM will do something when someone reports the person.

I pick this because unlike cursing (we have a filter) which is still punished if told, parser and cosmedic mods, buying x amount of houses hurts players because its a limited resource. Also yes its not our job and we cant enforce it..but bringing this to the attention of SE can be done. Alot of those that have big amount of houses also often brought the attention to themselves, either by behaving badly ingame, by forum posting or by giving interviews. They then should accept if they get negative feedback about this.

If you know I am also someone that is against selling content for real money, using exploids in content and I want SE to have a clear stand with their ToS (dont punish people for talking about numbers thanks to parser but turn a blind eye on streamers with it). I am going after the housing aspect because its the topic. Its that simple. If there is another topic (which did happen in the past) that is against the ToS and even hurt players, I am posting my opinion too.

Everyone has their own line where its crossed. For some its already cursing, for others its housing, for another person its bug exploiding and someone hates them all. And all of them are in their right if its against the ToS. If you are in the end fine that someone has over 16 houses in a game that has limited amounts of them, then thats fine. Others dont need to accept it and can post their opinion about it.

My concern is if SE was as hard as you want them to be when it came to the ToS the game would become barren. I was suspended for nine days nercoing one thread, I do not want the in-game moderators to police the game like they do the forums. I would lose a lot of good friends. I did not know players got punished for cursing in game, I curse like a sailor and have never been punished so I went based off my experience.What I am trying to say is if we open the flood gates to a system were SE goes full force with enforcing the ToS many players would be punished for things they have been doing that went years without being punished.

What do we do about those players that were grandfathered in? If you have an issue with players that have 16 plots, you will hate my GM since he does have 16 plots and was a carry over from the old system. A rule break is a rule break I do not think people understand the impact it would have on the community if SE listened to the outcries for those asking for stricter enforcement of the rules. That is something that needs to be done from the start not years later. You call it babying, I call it people trying to get SE to punish players for their lack of foresight. The reality is the players that own more then two plots is a symptom of a choice SE made. Their inaction of not going with a one house per account rule from the start and seeking a viable long term housing solution is what hurts the players. People are looking at the wrong people to blame. Sure it is greedy, but it is also smart and cleaver workaround the rule set provided.

I would like a lot of things changed with the housing system, for example a large plot should cost upwards of hundreds of millions, I should not have been able to buy one for 17 mil. Asking for changes is one thing, asking for people to be punished for things that SE was aware of and did nothing about or simply ignored is where my true concern is. Hope I am making sense.

[Alleo]

My concern is if SE was as hard as you want them to be when it came to the ToS the game would become barren. .

I want SE to at least go against those that hurt the community with their actions. Which people do, by buying houses (a limited resource) and selling it for way too much (which might even create more RMT money). That does not mean that it would be fine if they punish people for the smallest things but its their rules, so if they say that any kind of cursing is against their ToS then people simply have to stick to the rules. And if they say that since x day we wont allow reshade and wont turn a blind eye on parsers with streamers than it would be fine too because again its their game.

So if they go and state that x will be punishable from 10 days in the future then nobody can complain because its their rules. And if they suddenly go very nitpicky about it then its also on them to do that. Again I want a clear (and if necessary strict) enforcement of their rules. Say what is fine and what is not and coach your GM in this..so that people on one hand wont be punished for telling others about parsers and their numbers while they all completely ignore all the top raiders and streamers..

The same with housing. If you are against it then do something and they at least did it. But I am a bit surprised that this seemingly only stayed for a short amount of time..so maybe more outrage, more topics about this might give them enough reasons to finally enforce this forever.

About grandfathered: I am not a fan that people were able to keep all the houses that went over the max amount but at least SE stated that these would be handled that way. So its clear that they did not want to punish them because there had been no rule against owning x houses. But then they changed the rule but only kept the technical part about owning just one FC house for a short amount of time. So is the rule itself still active or not? Are any of those homes that people got by account transfering while the rule was active not against it?

[Zale]

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yeah, they can change their rules at any time, but that doesn't mean people will follow it simply because they say so. there will always be people like that in every game. you're delusional if you believe otherwise. yshtola isn't hurting anyone, they were merely defending themselves from being targetted. if you're the one getting upset over people buying/selling houses that's your own personal problem. there's more to life than a virtual house on an online video game that'll just disappear anyway once you get bored of the game. SE doesn't care and people have addressed this multiple times. if people want to buy houses at absurd prices then they're only hurting themselves, not the people who sell the houses. it's just like RMT, it wouldn't be a problem if there weren't buyers. the only difference is, the houses aren't potentially misleadingly obtained like RMT gil could be. they obtain the houses just like any normal person in the game. you can call it greed all you want, but it's... a video game? and it's not for real money.

btw, there is a difference between parsing and housing. don't compare the two. parsing doesn't harm anyone and isn't against ToS so long as you do not mention it. but the thing is, depending on context, mentioning someone's numbers can be considered as a form of harassment if i remember correctly. housing doesn't harm you, and you know that. are you gonna call it harassment for people selling/buying houses? don't think so. again, while streamers may seem like they get a "free pass" in your eyes, ultimately they aren't breaking rules, either. SE can't do much for something that's out of their game unless they are doing it within the game. and they will tell you they can't do anything, trust me. that's up to twitch to handle, and it's a whole other topic.

the rest of you should probably seek some form of help if you're getting this bent out of the frame over something this minor. your logic only seems to be "IT'S AGAINST THE RULES AND THEREFORE IT'S BAD! XD" while i sympathize with you, there are more concerning things than housing. and look at that, does SE truly do anything? love SE, but they don't. but you don't have any counterargument than just that, because obviously you don't do enough research or maybe lack the intelligence to do so, and thus you place the blame on yshtola for something that is ultimately SE's fault for handling improperly. there's bots running rampant and hacked accounts, yet you choose to complain about this.