Sexual harassment

[Mixt]

I have an issue with police not doing their job and instead arbitrarily deciding that anyone who comes forward who is not a straight white upper-class citizen must be the real culprit and proceed to jump on the victim.

I have an issue with society defending cops who do this simply because they don't like people who are different.

I have an issue with people claiming that The Law is infallible while stuff like this happens right in front of their face.

I have an issue with victims of abuse being presented with only bad options, where they are screwed no matter what they do, say nothing and get screwed, do say something and get screwed anyway.

Do nothing? The abuser gets you.
Contact the police? They assume you are the problem and get you.
Try to deal with it yourself? The police get you for vigilantism.

All bad options, because society is rotten like that.

[NephthysVasudan]

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So you have an issue with law enforcement.
Good for you.
What the bloody hell does that have to do with this thread?
This thread was supposedly made with the intent of making victims aware of their rights and what they can do about it.
And while I do not appreciate this thread in the slightest...the merit of said thread is valid.

Telling them they will be harmed/treated worse for reporting said offense...is counterproductive (and I'm being VERY polite on that point).

Take your attitude somewhere else. It has no place here and serves no constructive purpose other than scaring people.

[Elamys]

Telling them they will be harmed/treated worse for reporting said offense...is counterproductive (and I'm being VERY polite on that point).

He isn't saying people will be harmed for reporting offenses and therefore discouraging victims reporting, he's stating something that is a fact of life for many minorities: They already fear contacting law enforcement. I don't know if maybe you just don't live in the US, but it's a very real thing here. The problem is a lot of people here are saying "contact the police!!!" without taking into account the complexities of it because they, presumably, don't experience that fear.

[NephthysVasudan]

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I disagree....people are riled up as it is...and this thread is being read by victims or at least people who know them.
Giving "supposed/alleged" testimonies of cops shooting victims is not what I call a good discussion point...example or not.
It belongs somewhere else.

The point is to help people speak up...not scare them to oblivion.

[KaivaC]

I disagree....people are riled up as it is...and this thread is being read by victims or at least people who know them.
Giving "supposed/alleged" testimonies of cops shooting victims is not what I call a good discussion point...example or not.
It belongs somewhere else.

The point is to help people speak up...not scare them to oblivion.

I am not sure why you are being so incredibly aggressive with your postings for some of the disagreements made about your posts, a good portion of which didn't have hostile intent behind them in the first place. The issue that was brought up with law enforcement is another facet - I don't necessarily agree with how that argument was presented, but it is something that a lot of us minorities do concern ourselves with because that is a fact of life for us. I don't believe there was any intent to go into fear-mongering about reporting things like this to law enforcement, just bringing up another facet that may be on the minds of other folks who are experiencing said trauma in their online/real life ongoings. I don't believe that most of the victims in the original story are paying any attention here in the forums - from what I have seen, TMP is in the middle of a nasty, public war that seems to be centered on Twitter and Discord at the moment.

I am positive that Kerwin and others support coming up to law enforcement - I don't think anybody is discouraging this. I share their feelings that some individuals just may be hesitant or fearful of coming to law enforcement for a multitude of reasons. This is a very tough situation, and I feel that when it comes to something within FFXIV, it is a part of the discussion that could be taken into consideration when talking about why some victims may not initially come to law enforcement for help. On the bigger picture of things, how would the dev react to this in light of the Koike Incident, if the devs react to this at all. The mods have certainly taken notice both here and on reddit.

**edit** In light of the mod's post above, maybe it's a good idea to get away from the subject of law enforcement and fears and race - as stated above, it is a hot topic that is like to completely derail the topic.