Sexual harassment

[Fawkes]

The events in the article sounded more like emotional abuse than sexual harassment to me. I mean, maybe one begets the other, but his goal seemed to be toying with other people's emotions for his own entertainment.

[MoroMurasaki]

Gamergate was a movement of men just harassing women constantly. That's all it was. (And yes, harassment is directly related to the topic... it's... it's like things don't survive in a vacuum!) It's also a stupid movement that served no real purpose.

And yes, they were a bunch of immature babies.

Gamergate was about ethics in journalism and the idea that no one can write credible, unbiased reviews about something when they are also engaged in or have recently engaged in a sexual relationship with the creator of that thing.

This was eventually co-opted by a combination of internet trolls shaming a girl about her sex life (when really the men she slept with were the ones with the journalistic integrity issue) and ultimately some extra stupid feminists like Anita Sarkeesian who wanted to paint the gaming community as a whole like they are all people like the guy from this article.

Misrepresentation of Gamergate corrected, to move on.

This guy sounds like a scumbag. What I think people are getting stuck on is the idea that you can't sexually harrass a character. You can't, characters have no rights, but he wasn't sexually harrassing characters.

According to anecdotal evidence he was talking to people in voice chat and even engaged in an actual, physical sex with one woman. This is like saying if your boss calls you up on the phone tomorrow and tells you that your voice is sexy and he wants to do x, y and z with you it isn't sexual harassment. That's stupid, it's totally sexual harrassmemt. Take it from someone who worked in HR for years, that's the kind of behavior that gets people fired.

No, some random sending a /tell saying your glam is sexy is not sexual harrassmemt any more than a random catcall on the street is. If that was the sort of behavior this was about then I would have laughed and moved on.

The disturbing part of the story that's cropped up recently isn't some arbitrary wordplay in FC chat, rather it's about the emotional manipulation and solicitation of real-life information and personal photos. This man, if he actually did what was claimed, specifically went out of his way to make sure he had a wealth of power over these women. He stockpiled blackmail collateral while worming his way into their emotions then played on a fear of him commiting self-harm to stay there. For many of them he did this while also being their boss at The Moogle Post. It is a very, very different conversation than receiving a winkyface /tell about your butt looking cute.

The vast majority of people in this game will never receive any real sexual harrassment in this game but if these women's claims are true they're the unfortunate exceptions to that rule.

Bad people exist. Protect yourself as best you can. Don't make stupid choices like sending nudes. There is nothing that can be done to stop this guy from making another character and doing the same exact things again but if people are more ready to defend themselves against these sort of attacks he will at least have a harder time.

[Corfish]

The fact that people think we're actually talking about people sexually harassing the characters on the screen and not, you know, the people behind those characters is astounding.

No, you can't sexually harass someone's pixel catgirl in Final Fantasy XIV but you CAN harass the actual person playing that pixel catgirl.

Honestly, at this point I am inclined to believe most of those people either harass people themselves using the excuse "they're just pixels", or they don't want to admit they were complacent in someone else's abuse when they chose to say nothing.

[Mahri]

Correct.

So, name them.

So, shame them.

We have cruelly deprived them of any sense of fear of the consequences for mistreating people, so it seems like that's the only thing that will leave a mark.

After all, they lack the emotional maturity to feel enough empathy to restrain themselves.

After all, they lack the character to respect the moral principles required to see the value in treating people well.

So, shame will have to do.

They have nothing to contribute, nothing whatsoever to add to this conversation, as this thread so clearly demonstrates, so they may as well squirm back under their rocks.

[Saraphin]

Eh...snip

In many instances, the person that has been alligated against has held things over their heads, be it their place on the fan-zine, or their friends' places on the fan-zine, to simply crack at the tip of the iceburg.
As Fawkes said, much of it was emotional abuse. There were a few cases of entrapment and sexual misconduct with a large age difference.
Having gone through an emotionally abusive marriage, you don't realize it until well down the line and when you do, you feel shame. You feel ashamed of what happened, what you let happen without knowing what was going on.

Re: Sexual harassment (Ie: the start of this) it should not be allowed. you report, you pray and see what will come of it.

Overall, just treating others as we want to be treated would be a good start, but most people can, and will, hide behind being hundreds if not thousands of miles away, where they've got a network of 'friends' to jump to their side when they want to shame someone, or put pressure on them, and if all else fails: they just don't log in for a bit, let it 'blow over' and repeat the same actions.

[Mikhaill]

It's really hilarious to me when people think it's that easy to walk away from it. Like, I had a guy harassing me in WoW, and I finally told him off and ignored him, and whenever I logged in on my alts on another server, he would have his friends harass me too.

See? Everyone knows the "Girls don't exist online!" Joke?
There's a good damn reason for it. I hide it too, hell, a lot of us girls do...
There's not to say the male's don't get bugged too such as OP, but females on the internet?
You all think we are a rare breed? We're God dang hiding for our lives from nasty perverts who won't leave us alone.
I've personally not be into no extreme case but the moment people know my gender that's it for me.
If they start asking too many things, too soon and randomly showing me or telling their sob stories, I know to run.
I rarely ever mention it, and only now to prove a point. Some people aren't lucky enough and they're in too deep../

People laughing at this makes me sick. I actually reported DDkiki for his response already.
Sexual Harassment ain't funny, in no form at all.

[Mahri]

Oh, by the way.

If you consider any of this "politics," then you are not prepared to discuss this subject, and you are unworthy of any replies you have received concerning it.

[Zsolen]

When someone mentions alt-right and rightwing, it is now politics. It shouldn't be at all. It should be going about a resolution that is fair and proper. This requires cool heads, understanding, maturity, and patience.

[MoroMurasaki]

Oh, by the way.

If you consider any of this "politics," then you are not prepared to discuss this subject, and you are unworthy of any replies you have received concerning it.

The discussion at it's core isn't of politics but if you are too blind to see the inherent political parallels between the situation unfolding around TMP and similar conversations going on about things irl you should work on that.

Some people have made it more politically polarized than it had to be by bringing up things specifically meant to disparage more right-leaning views just like was done during Gamergate. Again, if you can't see that the fault is your own.

Sadly in today's day and age anything linked to women gets linked to feminism and anything linked to third wave feminism is political because of the way third wave feminism portrays it's self. I don't like it but I won't sit here and deny it. If this was a woman extorting and abusing men we likely wouldn't be having this conversation right now but that isn't the situation.

[Gleipni]

It make laugh to hear people talking about sexual harassment IN GAME,like,the dude being to explicit ? blacklist it,he do other caracter to do it t? tell support he will get ban.

But then if the "victim" prefer to not talk because it would start a drama,they deserve it,they have the choice to talk,and they don't.