So about Summoner...

[Wilbow]

They were "higher" because other dps classes were undertuned and needed buffs. RDM was actually overpowered back then because of it too. And most of those dps changes occurred long ago, so this dps disparity has existed since at least the start of 4.1 (honestly even longer because DRG/MCH were already meta before that).

> Yes, RDM used to be overpowered at the start of SB. This was overcorrected pretty dramatically. They're as bad in the underperforming side now as they used to be in the overperforming side back then.

> Also, you act as if this long period of not making changes somehow justifies the neglect. SE has a track record of being too slow to adjust jobs that are clearly in need of it. See: DRG magic defense in 2.x, AST in early HW, WHM in late HW, DRK in SB, etc. This doesn't mean that there isn't an issue. I want to be in the universe you're in, where BLK and RDM mains haven't been critical of how SE has handled their job in SB.

Also, answer me this: If RDM is supposed to be SO GOOD AT PROG, why are SMN just as common in world firsts of the newest ultimate? And if you can be SMN and be just as good at prog, why would you ever bother investing in RDM? But you know, the ultimates just aren't HARD ENOUGH to make prog important enough for long enough, or something.