So about Summoner...

[Wayfinder3]

so u gonna tell the reason why you take smn over rdm because smns personal dmg is higher than rdms personal dmg and not because smn brings the way better grp-buffs with devotion, radiant and con while being more mobile at the same time? I don't think so... /

I didn't think you had a point to make, good to know i was right.

Yes, the reason people bring SMN over RDM in prog is because of it's personal pdps. the utility is icing on the cake but embolden is only around 100 rdps weaker than smn entire utility kit. the only logical reason is that SMN personal dps which is a very much higher is the reason why you want it as opposed to it's red counterpart. Out of prog the same holds true.

https://xivrdps.herokuapp.com/encoun...42pxNg3hBMkf/8 SMN rdps, it's not that much

[Neela]

the point is...that was a rhetoric question... if you would take mobility & utility out of arguments it would just remain raw personal dmg, tho u could even go with blm... well I'm out for some hours see ya tomorrow ^^

[Wayfinder3]

...that was rhetoric question... if you would take mobility & utility out of arguments it would just remain raw personal dmg, tho u could even go with blm... well I'm out for some hours see ya tomorrow ^^

YOUR LOGIC: "lets take all the good parts out of the job so you can see, it's not that good"

[Neela]

well take your time and think 'bout it ^^

[Dualgunner]

I honestly think you need to put some real thought into it Neela. That, or get better at communicating with people, because your arguments are very poor, and that's coming either from the fact you refuse to cede on a very bad point, or you cannot properly communicate your real point.

[dinnertime]

Honestly I think SMN is in a good place (inb4 "because you're a SMN main!!!") and the other two casters just fall short, not the opposite. BLM's damage should be enough but having no (offensive) utility and its core play-style of being immobile does make it less desirable, while RDM is just badly designed. Yeah, maybe SMN can be toned down just a bit but I'd rather see the other two casters get improved on first.

[Dualgunner]

That's where I stand too tbh. If SMN were nerfed, it wouldn't put BLM and RDM back in, it'd put MCH back in.

[EllieShadeflare]

BLM is fine, since we hit hardest on almost all forms of ST content, and harder than SMN on said content... which happens to be the vast majority of content. The only times where things start fluctuating is when movement starts getting involved or going through progression but even then.

Look at the current logs for Sigmascape Savage. Only Phantom Train has a SMN beating BLM, and even then BLM is second place in terms of damage.

Sure, BLM COULD get increased damage to make them a better choice if you just wanna stack buffs on them, but... BLM is already close enough. Hell, we only do slightly less damage than SMN does, raid DPS wise.

https://xivrdps.herokuapp.com/encoun...jGBXkRwyncbC/8

https://xivrdps.herokuapp.com/encoun...hZPCQRTwgar/23

First and second place DPS on Phantom Train, respectively. Done by a SMN in the first, BLM in the second.

[Sunako]

First and second place DPS on Phantom Train, respectively. Done by a SMN in the first, BLM in the second.

First and second place tell literally nothing. Those are just padded parses. Just like how o6s is.

wow rank 1 summoner not even have 6.5k raid dps.
https://xivrdps.herokuapp.com/encoun...MdPqAxvYNnQ9/3

rank 1 BLM have over 200 more raid dps than rank 1 summoner
https://xivrdps.herokuapp.com/encoun...Y8P4yRvHrDwb/3

Now if we check speed kills summoner can have 7.1k raid dps
https://xivrdps.herokuapp.com/encoun...RGN64PHgCyp/19

BLM can have even 7.2k raid dps
https://xivrdps.herokuapp.com/encoun...fd1VN4rycnhJ/1

Encounter time often tell more who actually have good raid dps.

[Lastelli]

I personally think SMN is the most powerful job in the game right now...for several reasons:

1) Very good ST dps, top AoE dps; 2) almost absolute mobility, second only to BRD/MCH in this regard (half of the time you can run around because you're either in DT or you need to weave stuff so you're using ruin 2/4. Also trading 20 potency in order to move when needed is no big deal); 3) utility! Radiant shield+devotion are more valuable than hypercharge. Also, resurrection is a nice bonus; 4) synergy with other dps' buffs (you can easily line up DT and baha with tricks/stratagem with a little practice); 5) flexibility: unlike other jobs that have a very restricted window when they can use their burst/oGCD abilities, SMN is much more flexible in how it can use AF stack, DT and bahamut. This basically means that it can easily delay/hasten the use of its resources to take advantage of any possible scenario.

Another important thing is that SMN is the job that benefits more from downtime. Downtime=more AF, and since SMN's burst is so strong, SMN benefits from downtime relatively more than other jobs. Which is why SMN is so obscenely OP in both ultimate fights and it's very strong in kefka (first part). Still, it's not like BLM is in a bad position. Granted playing BLM optimally is much harder, a good BLM is still a valuable asset. I feel bad for RDM though...poor thing.