Selling Ultimate Weapon Ultima Is Apparently Not Against the ToS

[Tempest222]

Thru can’t prove the contents of any out of game interaction nor can they prove whether or not someone intentionally posted a cross server party finder knowing full well you can’t tramsfer gil between severs.

Even though it’s pretty clear what’s going on, at the end of the day, who cares? Why are people so personally affronted by this? It has zero effect on anyone but the parties involved, and no, I don’t believe it cheapens the achievement of anyone who has legit cleared a fight. Actions taken by random, strangers don’t affect what you personally have or haven’t done. Clearing the fight through your own skill gets you the same amount of internet points whether or not someone else payed to clear it with gil or with real money.

SE is clearly not going to act on cases where there isn’t 100%in game proof of something being done against the TOS, so do what I should have done with this thread, and just keep scrolling and move on with your life.

[Mavrias]

It cheapens the entire act of getting the clear and the item. It's done through means not supported in game and is against the ToS. Complacency solves nothing.

What's there to solve? Your ego is bruised because someone has the same shiny toys?

[ko_]

The one person in this thread that understands my point. Thank you!

It's not for a lack of understanding.. I told you I WOULD ban myself if I broke the rule. I don't know what you want me to say after that?

[Vhailor]

To get back to the OP, no, selling runs in-game is unfortunately not against the ToS. SE has chosen to permit clears in exchange for Gil, a massive loophole that allows them to lazily ignore the blatantly obvious RMT that is engaged in via their own Party Finder system while still technically 'enforcing' their own rules. It's a shameful state of affairs, one that played a role in me quitting XIV the first time around (the RMT spam back then was unbearable).

As an aside, there are several individuals making the point that we shouldn't fuss about things that don't really impact our own experience. To this I respond: selling runs does impact my experience. Part of why I play MMOs and online titles in general is for a virtual world that is firmly separated from one's IRL status. Someone living in a rickety house struggling to make rent can be looked up to by a CEO in FFXIV. I value that. When RMT is routinely overlooked and ignored, or even semi-officially sanctioned in the form of the Mog Station, it shreds this disconnect, harming my experience. Impact cannot be properly discussed when its definition is narrowed to the point of uselessness.

[akaneakki]

Some people. SMH. I can see why people are againts selling for real money, but if its with gil , sure why not? Whats the difference a fc member being dead on the floor most of the time vs a guy who is also dead on the floor but pay with gil? Nothing. One person decide to pay for the service in the game, while the first guy whos doing it with his fc is just there to play with his fc and have no clue how to do the fight and want to get a so called helping hand from his fc members without giving back for the service.

[Rubiss]

What's there to solve? Your ego is bruised because someone has the same shiny toys?

The problem of RMT? Selling clears of content for real money? You know, that thing that is explicitly stated in the Terms of Service as illegal, that everyone with a service account agreed upon before installing the game?

[Mavrias]

As an aside, there are several individuals making the point that we shouldn't fuss about things that don't really impact our own experience. To this I respond: selling runs does impact my experience. Part of why I play MMOs and online titles in general is for a virtual world that is firmly separated from one's IRL status. Someone living in a rickety house struggling to make rent can be looked up to by a CEO in FFXIV. I value that. When RMT is routinely overlooked and ignored, or even semi-officially sanctioned in the form of the Mog Station, it shreds this disconnect, harming my experience. Impact cannot be properly discussed when its definition is narrowed to the point of uselessness.

So, again, this is just an ego issue. And not, like, an actual gameplay issue.

[Mavrias]

The problem of RMT? Selling clears of content for real money? You know, that thing that is explicitly stated in the Terms of Service as illegal, that everyone with a service account agreed upon before installing the game?

An excellent point this would be if I didnt see people also vying for people who sell clears for gil to be banned as well.

[ko_]

Would it be nice if they did something about their polices? Yes, but asking for them to drop the hammer hard on every ToS volition seems counter intuitive.I do not think many are defending the action of selling runs, more so have a fear is SE goes full force enforcing each ToS rule in-game as they do on the forums many players would be banned for extremely trivial things such as names. Personally if the forums are any indication of how SE handles infractions I am glad they are fairly lax in-game.

In the end it's just my opinion... clearly it seems like it's out of control and there's not alot SE can do to fix it. I would just say buck it and ban everyone selling BUT that's not what SE is going to do. I know I'm not gonna make friends on this topic but what can you do?

Selling as in RMT = real money trading which is against the TOS. Not taking about gil.. only actually breaking the rule about RMT here. Just want to point that out there.

[Rubiss]

An excellent point this would be if I didnt see people also vying for people who sell clears for gil to be banned as well.

Well naturally the sellers should be banned. What kind of logic are you operating on? Do you not want to ban bots for spamming in towns?