Selling Ultimate Weapon Ultima Is Apparently Not Against the ToS

[ko_]

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Text does a horrible job at joking/sarcastism/etc etc. But it doesn't change my view. The rules should be followed, and if not there should be punishments. What those are or should be is up to the topic, in this case.. yes I would issue bans cause again. Yes, the selling of clears doesn't effect me.. but it does effect other people and the state of the game and how it's viewed. I do have question of my own. Why is it players instant response to calling out sellers is defend said sellers? Everyone knows it's wrong yet we do nothing? I know it's a touchy topic and people instantly pull out shields.. but what I'm asking is.. WHY?

[Nockvryca]

Text does a horrible job at joking/sarcastism/etc etc. But it doesn't change my view. The rules should be followed, and ...et we do nothing? I know it's a touchy topic and people instantly pull out shields.. but what I'm asking is.. WHY?

Personally I don't like the idea of selling, even if it were through an actual in game trade. I think rewards should be earned. At the same time I think all rules should be followed, no matter how minor. I used to work in the pharmaceutical industry and this is how lot of rules worked, no matter how minor, you were to follow them all to the exact wording and very strictly without deviation. So my point was all rules should be followed, no matter how minor they seem. I just used your post as an example because it was the first example I saw, so the first I could use.

[Nockvryca]

That is kind of the point though, going "iron fist" after the fact will punish a lot of people for trivial infractions.

The one person in this thread that understands my point. Thank you!

[ko_]

The one person in this thread that understands my point. Thank you!

It's not for a lack of understanding.. I told you I WOULD ban myself if I broke the rule. I don't know what you want me to say after that?

[Tempest222]

Thru can’t prove the contents of any out of game interaction nor can they prove whether or not someone intentionally posted a cross server party finder knowing full well you can’t tramsfer gil between severs.

Even though it’s pretty clear what’s going on, at the end of the day, who cares? Why are people so personally affronted by this? It has zero effect on anyone but the parties involved, and no, I don’t believe it cheapens the achievement of anyone who has legit cleared a fight. Actions taken by random, strangers don’t affect what you personally have or haven’t done. Clearing the fight through your own skill gets you the same amount of internet points whether or not someone else payed to clear it with gil or with real money.

SE is clearly not going to act on cases where there isn’t 100%in game proof of something being done against the TOS, so do what I should have done with this thread, and just keep scrolling and move on with your life.

[Vhailor]

To get back to the OP, no, selling runs in-game is unfortunately not against the ToS. SE has chosen to permit clears in exchange for Gil, a massive loophole that allows them to lazily ignore the blatantly obvious RMT that is engaged in via their own Party Finder system while still technically 'enforcing' their own rules. It's a shameful state of affairs, one that played a role in me quitting XIV the first time around (the RMT spam back then was unbearable).

As an aside, there are several individuals making the point that we shouldn't fuss about things that don't really impact our own experience. To this I respond: selling runs does impact my experience. Part of why I play MMOs and online titles in general is for a virtual world that is firmly separated from one's IRL status. Someone living in a rickety house struggling to make rent can be looked up to by a CEO in FFXIV. I value that. When RMT is routinely overlooked and ignored, or even semi-officially sanctioned in the form of the Mog Station, it shreds this disconnect, harming my experience. Impact cannot be properly discussed when its definition is narrowed to the point of uselessness.

[Mavrias]

As an aside, there are several individuals making the point that we shouldn't fuss about things that don't really impact our own experience. To this I respond: selling runs does impact my experience. Part of why I play MMOs and online titles in general is for a virtual world that is firmly separated from one's IRL status. Someone living in a rickety house struggling to make rent can be looked up to by a CEO in FFXIV. I value that. When RMT is routinely overlooked and ignored, or even semi-officially sanctioned in the form of the Mog Station, it shreds this disconnect, harming my experience. Impact cannot be properly discussed when its definition is narrowed to the point of uselessness.

So, again, this is just an ego issue. And not, like, an actual gameplay issue.

[Vhailor]

So, again, this is just an ego issue. And not, like, an actual gameplay issue.

Firstly, I'd suggest looking up the definition of the word ego. You're misapplying the word.

Secondly, everyone has the right to make purchasing decisions on their own internal set of metrics. It's rather arrogant and presumptuous of you to imply those metrics are silly, or of less value than your own. I'll be the boss of what impacts me, and how various concerns rank in comparison to gameplay issues.

Finally, in regards to the 'problem' SE needs to solve, it's not one of ego: it's one of enforcement. They've laid out terms that RMT is illegal. They've then laid out a ToS that presents giant loopholes allowing for it to exist, out in the open, without punishment. That is, by any definition of the word, a problem. Maybe SE wants to solve it by simply legalizing RMT, making it more official perhaps; maybe they want to solve it by closing the loophole. Maybe they want to just ignore it. But it's clear that people who value an RMT-free environment, are not happy about seeing it openly displayed without any action being taken on SE's part.

10 mil gil aint rmt. Thats my point. People who want all run selling banned are trying to get people banned because they dont want people to have the same items or achievements as them is my point.

That is not my motivating factor. I've explained what is. I don't even raid, so I couldn't give a shit less about someone having the same stuff that I do: lots of people will. My concern, hard though that apparently is for you to understand, is about having a sense of fairness in the game that I play, and a sense of detachment from the outside world. It impacts the immersion for me.

Incidentally, I've no issue with your perspective that people should be free to use their paycheck as they see fit within the games of their choice. You're welcome to that opinion. I vehemently disagree, but everyone can make their own decisions. Bear in mind, however, that you're playing a game that officially does not permit RMT of any kind. Any proper argument is therefore formed on that basis, and should be either an argument to change the ToS, or an argument to address the inconsistencies in the ToS. A product shouldn't waffle around and permit something while not permitting something.

[akaneakki]

Some people. SMH. I can see why people are againts selling for real money, but if its with gil , sure why not? Whats the difference a fc member being dead on the floor most of the time vs a guy who is also dead on the floor but pay with gil? Nothing. One person decide to pay for the service in the game, while the first guy whos doing it with his fc is just there to play with his fc and have no clue how to do the fight and want to get a so called helping hand from his fc members without giving back for the service.

[AppleJinx]

I doubt anyone who actually managed to legitimately cleared the content themselves would care about buyers so they certainly don't need you to care for them on their behave.