Selling Ultimate Weapon Ultima Is Apparently Not Against the ToS

[Nockvryca]

My opinion of the matter doesn't change, Iron fist rule if it were me.

So you'll ban yourself? Lol

[DDkiki]

Most of FFXIV players are apologist, white knights or just too apathetic for anything. They doesn't care. Or protect every insane thing will fanatical passion. And SE doesnt care about health of their game either, will just continue milk while it still lives. Sadly no matter how loud we discuss it - SE protect this sellers and will do nothing.

[ko_]

So you'll ban yourself? Lol

How I figure you were going to say that. Missing the point. And if you look over that's not even the name of the character anymore. And that still doesn't change my opinion, Hell if it was iron fist to begin with I wouldn't have named it that in the first place. Cause you wouldn't be able too. And you're latching yourself to that instead of the topic for some odd reason? Is there a point to this? Cause my opinion will not change. In this case. YES I would cause I broke the rule. Thats the point isn't it?

[Rubiss]

Most of FFXIV players are apologist, white knights or just too apathetic for anything. They doesn't care. Or protect every insane thing will fanatical passion. And SE doesnt care about health of their game either, will just continue milk while it still lives. Sadly no matter how loud we discuss it - SE protect this sellers and will do nothing.

Anything that shakes the status quo is met with resistance, especially in this game.

[Nockvryca]

How I figure you were going to say that. Missing the point. And if you look over that's not even the name of the character anymore. And that still doesn't change my opinion, Hell if ... some odd reason? Is there a point to this? Cause my opinion will not change. In this case. YES I would cause I broke the rule. Thats the point isn't it?

Hey, I was just simply asking you a question. Even had an lol, to lighten the mood. And no I am not missing the topic of the thread, people want se to follow the tos, yet I point something else out in the tos, even though it is minor, it should be followed. And because it's minor at the same time the playerbase doesn't want se to follow the tos. I am not here to pick a fight with anyone. Just point out if the playerbase wants se to be consistent with the tos, we should be consistent with the tos towards the playerbase. Not saying all acts are bannable, but it should be followed.

[ko_]

:/

Text does a horrible job at joking/sarcastism/etc etc. But it doesn't change my view. The rules should be followed, and if not there should be punishments. What those are or should be is up to the topic, in this case.. yes I would issue bans cause again. Yes, the selling of clears doesn't effect me.. but it does effect other people and the state of the game and how it's viewed. I do have question of my own. Why is it players instant response to calling out sellers is defend said sellers? Everyone knows it's wrong yet we do nothing? I know it's a touchy topic and people instantly pull out shields.. but what I'm asking is.. WHY?

[Magic-Mal]

Banned for what? This is allowed in game, so why not the forums?

Name-shaming. Unfortunately it's a very strict rules that is enforced here on the forums. You are not allowed to post any screenshots with player names besides your own without blacking/whiting/scribbling them out. This includes people who are bots or breaking the rules.. It may not be in the ToS(which is odd), but I can tell you it's absolutely a rule, maybe just unwritten. I made a thread once showcasing multiple bots who were CLEARLY bots, and I was forced to crop out their names after posting. My thread got deleted soon after anyway though...

[Rogatum]

How I figure you were going to say that. Missing the point. And if you look over that's not even the name of the character anymore. And that still doesn't change my opinion, Hell if it was iron fist to begin with I wouldn't have named it that in the first place. Cause you wouldn't be able too. And you're latching yourself to that instead of the topic for some odd reason? Is there a point to this? Cause my opinion will not change. In this case. YES I would cause I broke the rule. Thats the point isn't it?

That is kind of the point though, going "iron fist" after the fact will punish a lot of people for trivial infractions. You are right if they were strict from the start we would not be having this conversation, but sadly they were not and to be frank they loss their chance. They would have to ban every player that uses ACT, even the top FC's that they offered congratulations to. The players that have cos play characters they would also get banned. Do you personally think it would be wise to go iron fist with the rules this late into the game? Would it be nice if they did something about their polices? Yes, but asking for them to drop the hammer hard on every ToS volition seems counter intuitive.

Text does a horrible job at joking/sarcastism/etc etc. But it doesn't change my view. The rules should be followed, and if not there should be punishments. What those are or should be is up to the topic, in this case.. yes I would issue bans cause again. Yes, the selling of clears doesn't effect me.. but it does effect other people and the state of the game and how it's viewed. I do have question of my own. Why is it players instant response to calling out sellers is defend said sellers? Everyone knows it's wrong yet we do nothing? I know it's a touchy topic and people instantly pull out shields.. but what I'm asking is.. WHY?

I do not think many are defending the action of selling runs, more so have a fear is SE goes full force enforcing each ToS rule in-game as they do on the forums many players would be banned for extremely trivial things such as names. Personally if the forums are any indication of how SE handles infractions I am glad they are fairly lax in-game.

[Nockvryca]

Text does a horrible job at joking/sarcastism/etc etc. But it doesn't change my view. The rules should be followed, and ...et we do nothing? I know it's a touchy topic and people instantly pull out shields.. but what I'm asking is.. WHY?

Personally I don't like the idea of selling, even if it were through an actual in game trade. I think rewards should be earned. At the same time I think all rules should be followed, no matter how minor. I used to work in the pharmaceutical industry and this is how lot of rules worked, no matter how minor, you were to follow them all to the exact wording and very strictly without deviation. So my point was all rules should be followed, no matter how minor they seem. I just used your post as an example because it was the first example I saw, so the first I could use.

[Nockvryca]

That is kind of the point though, going "iron fist" after the fact will punish a lot of people for trivial infractions.

The one person in this thread that understands my point. Thank you!