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[HyoMinPark]

16-18 hours a day is not a really healthy amount of time to play. That is more time spent than a hedge fund manager spends a day at work.

The irony is that a lot of these world prog groups have meal plans and scheduled breaks in attempts to stay healthy and focused while progging a fight.

At the end of the day, none of this gear means anything. None of my real life friends and families outside of FFXIV care about beating a virtual dragon.

Good for your friends and family? None of mine outside of FFXIV really care either, but they also don’t try to dictate what people in FFXIV do or do not care about either, nor what is considered an achievement or fun for them. I would suggest that you try doing the same.

[Rogatum]

On mobile

May I ask why you seem to dislike parsing as much as you do? To dislike a tool seems odd to me since it seems you more so dislike players that abuse the tool, thus your disdain for such tools seems to be misplaced. I think we can all agree people that use any tool in a way it was not intended are scum, but why punish everyone for those that are not mature enough properly use something.

[Remedi]

And, while I enjoyed it, I think you guys are overestimating the real impact of Ultimate streams.

And I was talking about the in-game effects not streams, like the fact that swallow compass gear and eureka 345 gear has a value to raiders as it is the highest ilvl gear they can wear in Ucob before synch, in a way you have a huge variety of gear to choose if you wish to tackle Ucob more than any other content in the game and if it'll remain synched even next expansion, that gear will remain relevant which is unheard for in this game.
I won't stop stressing how much this game BADLY needs a long term goal to achieve, since there's not much to do in terms of goals in-game aside maybe getting to floor 200 of potd

also Hyominpark has explained much better what I wanted to explain, the comment that it's just pixel really is a poor agrument

[lulunami]

The irony is that a lot of these world prog groups have meal plans and scheduled breaks in attempts to stay healthy and focused while progging a fight.

Playing a video game for 18 hours a day does not seem weird to you? Actually doing any task for 18 hours straight is abnormal.

Good for your friends and family? None of mine outside of FFXIV really care either, but they also don’t try to dictate what people in FFXIV do or do not care about either, nor what is considered an achievement or fun for them. I would suggest that you try doing the same.

Why are you bringing this up? Nobody is forcing anybody to do anything.

[Ceasaria]

"Cheat tools"

Do you include : Guide, stream, recording video, etc, too ?
In a way, it's a form of cheating by knowing the fight in advance and appropriating the work/effort of others, right ?
If not, then it would be very odd (from you).

[Rockette]

I kind of wish Yoshi hadn't announced that there was no more ultimate half way through teams progressing this current ultimate. It's a bit of a down buzz for the raiders who enjoy this level of fight. Knowing that there's not gonna be anythign more except weekly grinding until the next expansion.

[Lambdafish]

Playing a video game for 18 hours a day does not seem weird to you? Actually doing any task for 18 hours straight is abnormal.


Why are you bringing this up? Nobody is forcing anybody to do anything.

Lol, are you trolling? You seem to know nothing about what you are talking about and seem to be having a kneejerk reaction towards headlines.

[lulunami]

Lol, are you trolling? You seem to know nothing about what you are talking about and seem to be having a kneejerk reaction towards headlines.

Perhaps I am an outsider to the MMO subculture of assumed norms. Enlighten me what I do not know.

[Lambdafish]

Perhaps I am an outsider to the MMO subculture of assumed norms. Enlighten me what I do not know.

The world first prog raiding scene exists in more games than just this one, and these players very much know how to look after themselves. It's not simply playing the game, but rather competing in a global event (albeit not officially endorsed). These players have schedules, take steps to look after health, and take the time to study and train both before and during the event. Think of it like esports, or even actual sports. Do you think its abnormal or unhealthy for a professional athlete to be committing full time to their sport before or during a big event?

As for your ridiculous comment about nobody caring about the weapons, I don't even know how to wrap my head around that one. You sound like an out of touch parent looking down on a video game because of an article written in cosmopolitan. In reality, these weapons matter in-game to players, they are trophies, and if I see someone with those weapons, I'd get excited knowing they have beaten ultimate and that they are an awesome player. So I guess I care about the weapons despite never having a hope of owning one (I'd certainly try though).

[KisaiTenshi]

May I ask why you seem to dislike parsing as much as you do? To dislike a tool seems odd to me since it seems you more so dislike players that abuse the tool, thus your disdain for such tools seems to be misplaced. I think we can all agree people that use any tool in a way it was not intended are scum, but why punish everyone for those that are not mature enough properly use something.

Because it doesn't stop with "parsing". People who claim that they're only using them as DPS meters, simply aren't. They lack no understanding of the underlying data. They have no understanding of how such realtime DPS meters can't be 100% accurate, but abuse the fact that they got that tool that tells them information that other players don't have. If people were simply running a network parser in the background, and uploading things after-the-fact, there would be a lot less to complain about because players would not be subjected to being kicked by players who are parsing everything.

There's no consent within the present tools to ensure that players can not abuse it. A properly written tool would recognize a consent sequence (eg "spectacles yes") and a revoke sequence from the players and only show those realtime meters for those who opted-in, and would anonymize the log of those who didn't opt in. That solves the main sources of abuse and harassment that the current parsers enable. A parser plugin like cactbot should not exist, and neither should the triggers plugin, because these change the nature of the "parsing" from "DPS meter" to "just follow the instructions like a walkthrough".

Do you include : Guide, stream, recording video, etc, too ?
In a way, it's a form of cheating by knowing the fight in advance and appropriating the work/effort of others, right ?
If not, then it would be very odd (from you).

All of those are considered cheats, to various degrees. This for me goes all the way back to 1990 where spoiling games was something only young children did. How to solve a puzzle in a game everyone had was considered the bragging rights. Especially if the game was for adults. Modems, BBS's and hintbooks put an end to that. GameFAQ's finally put a nail in the idea of being able to solve a game yourself. Say hello to annoying QTE events in adventure games, and grindy RPG elements being put in games to extend their longevity from 4 hours to 30.

The along came youtube and well, now you don't even need to buy the game anymore.

The point is, I don't begrudge players for using these things if they are only ruining their own personal enjoyment. But as soon as your personal enjoyment of the game runs into ruining my and everyone else personal enjoyment of the game, we have a problem. In a multiplayer environment, the most common configuration is everyone having an unmodified game client, no guides, no walkthroughs, no hints, no parsers, no mods, no nothing. If you can not be content with the game in this state, then do not complain about ANYTHING in the game, because you have no right to. A player using these tools is playing the game on "ez mode" while people who aren't, are playing the game at the difficultly level it was designed for.

That's why when I see some players complaining about the difficulty of something and are shameless cheat tool users, like no, Yoshi-P is not going to build a dungeon that can't be beat on a PS4 with a controller, please stop asking for that, if you want a challenge, turn your tools off first and show us your real skill level.