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[Reinha]

Heh, you focus on that, but you missed this?

"Certain 3rd party tools allowed players to capture and show the packets sent from the servers, earlier than they should be shown. (note: They are talking about 3rd party tools calling out Gaol targets in Ultimate before they even show up on the screen). However, they don't think it was that crucial of a problem, because that phase takes place early on in the battle.

To counter this in future content, they will need to add another layer of protection. They want to change the timing and how they send the packets, and also improve how the effects/animations allow you to detect the mechanics, in order to confuse those 3rd party tools."

You should be worried they are going to break all the third party stuff due to ultimate raiders. Hopefully it wont be all content.

This makes me sad. I was fine with easy content being reduced in order to get some content for the few hundred hardcore players, but if some of them need to cheat to get the kill then why even bother making more Ultimate fights? It's clearly too challenging to those who use a bot to help them let alone the vast majority who doesn't even try the fight. Just tune savage fights so they cater to more people.

[Luin]

Heh, you focus on that, but you missed this?



You should be worried they are going to break all the third party stuff due to ultimate raiders. Hopefully it wont be all content.

Not going to happen, nobody has ever stopped 3rd party like that. Independents work faster and constantly, it'd be a waste of resources to try. The interviews said in the future they'd change how certain information is received by the client (talking about the gaols in this case)

[RiyahArp]

Not going to happen, nobody has ever stopped 3rd party like that. Independents work faster and constantly, it'd be a waste of resources to try. The interviews said in the future they'd change how certain information is received by the client (talking about the gaols in this case)

yeah but if they can do that, it depends on if it breaks everything else. If they say "oh, we will just encrypt certain data" the side effect might be to break a lot of other systems down.

Though given that certain reddit thread about elysium, my care about ultimate has dropped 900% tbh.

[AppleJinx]

2 ultimate per expansion is a good number. If we are following the current trend, there's nothing else from arr that can top bahamut and ultima and I'd rather they save the HW stuff for 5.0

[Voidedge_Ragna]

Perhaps they had the animation but fine tuning a ultimate fight is likely a nightmare, yet alone figuring out mechanics that only work if players stand on the right centimeter

[Lovescake]

Perhaps they had the animation but fine tuning a ultimate fight is likely a nightmare, yet alone figuring out mechanics that only work if players stand on the right centimeter

its actually easier to tune a fight around the ilvl we have than it is to tune to sigmascape etc due to fluxuation.

[Corue]

So is development going to go back into the main game or are we still going to get less dungeons per patch?

[Lambdafish]

I'm confused by the black and white logic behind peoples arguments. While very few players actually beat the fight, these fights get a lot of mileage and interest from a far wider spectrum of the playerbase. How many people followed the fight on twitch? how many people were keeping up to date on the world first race on reddit? I thought that was what the fights were supposed to be about. If you take those players into account, then the amount of people enjoying ultimate is much higher.

If the devs only want to do 2 then thats their choice I suppose, but I do wonder what 4.5 would bring if that were the case, because thats both Ultimate, and Heaven on High confirmed to have finished for the expansion, so unless they reveal some brand new content (doubtful so late into the expansion) to fill our time, all we have left is Eureka.

[polyhedral]

How many people followed the fight on twitch?

Less than 7000, out of at least 2 million players. Do the math.

[Elamys]

unless they reveal some brand new content (doubtful so late into the expansion) to fill our time, all we have left is Eureka.

Assuming Polyhedral's numbers are correct, 0.35%. And that's just Twitch. How many less are even doing it?

All SE is saying is that they want more mileage out of the content. It takes a long time to get a decent amount of people into Bahamut and a long time for UwU.

HW was the same around this time. The major announced content had been added. We still have one more 24 man, one more set of Omega raids, however many more primals, some more dungeons, any new Eureka wings added...and at the end of HW they did add a few small unannounced things. Rival Wings, custom deliveries, and Wondrous Tails were all small pieces of content that were announced closer to being added in their patch. I wouldn't say we're going to have nothing to do the rest of the expansion.