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...does it matter? How many raiders have even beaten the first one, if not both?

Does Perform matter? Just because you don't enjoy a specific piece of content doesn't mean everyone shares your opinion. Plenty of people prog Ultimate even if they are miles away from clearing because it's a long-term goal. Certainly a better alternative to doing... what exactly? Ridorana and Swallow's Compass.

You should be worried they are going to break all the third party stuff due to ultimate raiders. Hopefully it wont be all content.

They're talking about Cactbot, which is a different tool than ACT. They aren't going to touch parsers because they know the backlash it would have.

Less than 7000, out of at least 2 million players. Do the math.

You weren't watching day one then. Xeno and MrHappy both broke 10k and maintained for several days, albeit with dips through the day. Both continued to average 4-5k, and have only dropped now that Ultimate's been cleared.

they also worry about player's health - when they hear stories of 21 hour/day prog and forgoing sleep to down these things that makes them rethink how many these they should put out.

Leith was meme-ing. Entropy progged roughly 12-14 hours until the last day when they were close to clearing. That's when they pulled 21 hours. That's hardly a health concern, especially it only happens once in eight months.

Sfia even went into some details on Frosty's podcast. They set up meal plans, purposely eat properly and get enough sleep to keep themselves focused. They're probably more health conscious than the majority of people whining over how "unhealthy" WF prog is.

Still, 21 hours one single day is not healthy. As far I know the norm was around more than 12 and less than 16 per day, so not that big of a difference.

Staying up playing a game for 21 hours every eight months isn't going to kill you anymore than going out on Years News Eve and getting hammered would. Are we going to worry about the health of party-goers now too?

Also makes up most of the player base. I don't think people wanting content like Ultimate do themselves any favours hating on the bulk of the player base

Many raiders become frustrated because the overwhelming majority of content is made for casual players. You already get virtually everything. Even Savage was watered down to better cater towards lower skilled players. Alas, that still isn't enough. People whine about Neo Exdeath and God Kefka being Savage exclusive. And they whine over Ultimate because how dare the raid community has one piece of content designed for them.

And if we're going to use the whole "well, not many people do it!" argument. PvP has been a near failure since its inception yet that hasn't stopped the devs from pouring huge amounts of resources into it; practically begging people to play.

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I haven't been banned yet. ;-;