So about Summoner...

[Zerathor]

Except summoner not have any emergency heal like second wind, vercure or mana ward like other jobs. Energy drain only heal 2k hp and physic 700 and waste global on top of that. As long you dont make misstakes, dying with summoner is easier than any other job. I have had multiple situation on BLM once mana ward have saved my life.

No emergency safety button, but you shouldn't need to worry about getting hit by anything dodgeable. Smn doesn't have to greed to not fall on its face and ruin it's rotation like blm. It can just.... dodge. Mana ward is cool, but I recall using it 9/10 times to intentionally eat something I could dodge, but I wanted to get another cast off.

[Sunako]

No emergency safety button, but you shouldn't need to worry about getting hit by anything dodgeable. Smn doesn't have to greed to not fall on its face and ruin it's rotation like blm. It can just.... dodge. Mana ward is cool, but I recall using it 9/10 times to intentionally eat something I could dodge, but I wanted to get another cast off.

I dont think mobility is good reason for dying. Sounds more like l2p issue. If you dont understand mechanics you die regardless what job you play. I just did Godka with blm this week and did not have any issue with mobility. As long you understand mechanics you can do literally same content with any job.

[Zerathor]

I dont think mobility is good reason for dying. Sounds more like l2p issue. If you dont understand mechanics you die regardless what job you play. I just did Godka with blm this week and did not have any issue with mobility. As long you understand mechanics you can do literally same content with any job.

You can, but depending where you're at it can be bad. Are you halfway through a f4 and you have to cancel? You just wasted about 400 potency. Are you at f1 or b3 and you have to move? You lost 150-200 potency as well as threw away your foul build up, so potentially another 650 potency. Not to mention slow casting a b3 or an f3 after a mistake like that. You have to gauge if you'll be able to move at the last second for some things, or lose a TON of damage (the only thing you bring)

Smn: oh boy, I lost 20p...

I'm fine with the mobility of blm, but I'd be lying if I didn't die a few times from trying to not derail my rotation. On smn, I don't even think about it, I just dodge. There's nowhere near as much reward for the risk.

[Sunako]

Imo BLM mobility is really good in this expansion, idk why ppl still complain about it. It is like playing healer without cleric stance. so much easier than 3.0.

[Caduagm]

Imo BLM mobility is really good in this expansion, idk why ppl still complain about it. It is like playing healer without cleric stance. so much easier than 3.0.

Because they're bad at their job.

[Zerathor]

Imo BLM mobility is really good in this expansion, idk why ppl still complain about it. It is like playing healer without cleric stance. so much easier than 3.0.

It really is pretty good. But to say it isn't easier to dodge while losing zero to minimal damage on smn, would be wrong. This feels more like I'm playing bard than a caster.

Again, zero issues with blm mobility, but for how much more mobile smn is, it shold have some trade off like missing a defensive. And that's not even too bad of a trade. I think it's a really strong trade in most scenarios actually.

[Wayfinder3]

ruin 2 is a 20 potency loss in exchange for maximum movement. DWT is free movement, and ruin 4 is free movement. the only smn who complain about ruin 2 are those smn that tend to push high dps but even then, 20 potency for maximum mobility is a great deal especially in progression. RDM dualcast is nice but requiring a cast causes the job pains when it needs to bait AOE such as eruptions that spawn pretty frequently. BLM will generally have triplecast, but Healers tend to cover for them on mechanics where they can.

[Neela]

Unless something changes, I'll probably prog o9-12s when it comes as smn because this job is just silly.

I'm bagging you for that!... if that means you will probably quit talking about a cls you are not familiar with. I can't stand those "words of wisdom" Meg already proved wrong. Bahamut at prog is just annoying and u didn't even need to die to mess up the Dragon... facing the advantages of mobility with the clunky Bahamut is really not prog-friendly, Bahamut without max stacks = flat Bahamut, Bahamut up while getting used to new mechanic = flat Bahamut, Bahamut out of raid buff windows = flat Bahamut, Bahamut up infront of downtimes = flat Bahamut. Smn simply aren't those "burst monster" you like to call them in prog. Like Meg said they face the exact same problem Blms do to be max. effectiv: knowing the exact times of mechanics and adjustments of partywide buffs as well for their burst window... after mch its the most punished burst-cls ingame. so how does this fit progression?

smn can move in payoff of pot loss yeah and they have a swiftcast res yeah... but thats all for progress, u can't count bahamut as an prog advantage, nor u can swap egis efficiently not knowing the downtimes... that alone will cut smns dps in prog kinda heavily... compared to farm/speedruns.

...but all I read from your side is "u have a raise = prog monster".... but please... that can't be your one&only major-argument... q.q


-> anyway go for smn and we can close this topic once and for all... ^^'

[Zerathor]

REEEEEEEEEEE

I'm still not entirely sure how I'm unfamiliar with it when I already play it. Why are you even trying?

[Neela]

because every sentence u said about your glorious experience regarding smn is proved wrong up until your very last post – and thats not just by me but even more detailed and objective by other members and u still try to shine... thats funny :3

also if people read carefully u just answer to the points you think u have an argument for other points and questions you just ignore cause u know people are right - whats even funnier than trying to shine...

oh and last but not least.... Im bored q.q