So about Summoner...

[Neela]

Dude, all the posts I've seen you posting in this thread have very poor arguments/make no sense at all.
Stop embarrassing yourself.

actually this... and with every post u do Zera it shows more and more that your experience in raiding or caster cls at all are poor. your goal is to get blm in ultimate? thats why you bash and hate smns state atm? sorry to disappoint you but blm won't take that spot even if they cut smns dps by half. you are just salty that the fights aren't designed for a blms favor. its not about the res, nor the dps - its about smns mobility which kicks blms ass and your ego, nothing else. all your arguments about first clears, prog, dps, utility won't change the fact that blm wont be top choice for endgame (progress) - if you wanna flame someone flame se for the level design and not a cls who actually fits that design better than yours.

[Zerathor]

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The more you reply the more clear it is that you actually haven't read anything at all in this thread actually. Or even bothered to look me up for that matter, yet claim I don't have experience with casters.

Also, mobility? It's mobility as the core reason smn > blm? I think it's clear who lacks experience in this argument between us, and I'll give you a hint: it's you.

But hey, it's nice you messed up and admitted we're right by acknowledging these fights are far more catered to smn than blm. So thank you for finally agreeing that there's a problem.

[TelosNox]

Mobility is only an argument, if we compare plain training dummy dps.
If we compare real boss fights then mobility already is contained in the measured dps. So there is nothing to complain if the real bossfight is balanced according to self dps + support.

And BLM has a good amount of mobility, it just has to be planned. BLM has 3x instant cast + 1x instant cast. He can teleport towards another player, he can teleport to his leylines and scathe is intant as well (yes it is a dps loss but better than nothing).

RDM has not a single GCD instant cast except from swiftcast which is needed to gamble for procs, so it is not for free use. Instead he has small repeating timeslots where he can move. This needs planning as well. No free running like BLM.

Yes SMN has the simplest way for free movement. But at cost of a small amount of dps and a big amount of mana if not timed with trance or bahamut. Usually SMN is NOT allowed to use swiftcast for dps, so he is able to raise. SMNs movement is not as OP as others think.

If not needed too often then BLM can move without any dps or mana loss just by timing swiftcast and sharpcast as needed or by using teleport.
RDM can move without DPS loss as well if he does not need to move very fast and can make several smaller steps.

So the only mechanics where SMN really has advantage with movement is if you have to move a lot and often in a small amount of time. In all other cases it is just different but not necessarily worse.

[Megguido]

Also, mobility? It's mobility as the core reason smn > blm? I think it's clear who lacks experience in this argument between us, and I'll give you a hint: it's you.

But hey, it's nice you messed up and admitted we're right by acknowledging these fights are far more catered to smn than blm. So thank you for finally agreeing that there's a problem.

Isn't mobility that makes SMN more suited to current savage and ultimate content ? Isn't the content "catered" more for SMN than BLM because it requires you to move ?

Also I don't get why you two are fighting like kids trying to argue who's dad is the best. "But muh DPS should be at the top at all times and SMN deals as much as me and they have TONS of utility". And yet you compare that to NIN and DRG.

First, SMN's party buffs are nowhere near NIN, DRG or BRD's level, but their personnal DPS is higher. A Trick Attack alone can bring more than 900 rDPS, DRG can bring around 1200 rDPS with two physical ranged. BRD's also around 1000 rDPS. Now if you consider all these raid buffs and you combine them with personnal DPS, you'll notice that SMN isn't the only one doing more DPS than a BLM. BRD, DRG, NIN, MNK, even MCH, contribute more damage than a BLM. Then, the difference between BLM and all the other jobs I listed isn't so huge it makes BLM unplayable at higher levels. Please consider that RDM's personnal+raid DPS is still lower than BLM. And yet they have much more ultimate coil clears than BLM for example.

[Zerathor]

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BLM mobility in these fights really isn't that bad for people who are used to playing blm. It's harder to do, but far from being the determining factor to not blm these fights. Especially with recent changes to AM speed and it's cool down.

As for the other dude, idk what their issue is. Somewhere along the line they start making personal attacks, and it's fun to stab back when they have zero ground to stand on. I know I shouldn't, but eh.

[Neela]

As for the other dude, idk what their issue is. Somewhere along the line they start making personal attacks, and it's fun to stab back when they have zero ground to stand on. I know I shouldn't, but eh.

take a closer look who got personal first pal - else you are right its fun to stab back if you have zero ground to stand on. ^^

[Zerathor]

take a closer look who got personal first pal - else you are right its fun to stab back if you have zero ground to stand on. ^^

What ever you say green queen. ;^)

[Neela]

What ever you say green queen. ;^)

well your problem in a nutshell:

Do you think nerfing summoner would make BLM more valuable in UwU?

honestly i just want blm to get a buff to the point its a viable option (in ult). be that from a noticeable dps gain over smn, or letting them have some kind of unique group utility again.

Raise (or utility in general) isn't the biggest reason BLM is poor for progression; it's because of how intimately one needs to know the fight so they know where to stand to maximize their dps. A BLM who doesn't know where or how to stand will always do less dps than a SMN, and in a lot of cases even RDM.

you just don't get the point that complaining about smn won't solve blm endgame situation - no matter how hard u try or how personal u get. you can talk about flogs statistics and compare them to death for the next two weeks and it won't change anything - blm won't become a beloved prog cls in its design no matter how many pot buffs it will get - so just get over it.