Trying to understand the complaints about DRK

[Aana]

I don't think you need to go verbose to state what is a given. The fact that 2-3 people here keep posting "DRK is fine" and then say "it has 2 world firsts on ultimate" is at the end a champion belt for the player, not the job. Because the player likes playing the class and knows how to make due with its weaknesses just like everyone who plays the game looks to do the same.

But yeah, lets devolve this conversation to the usual "but x job is fine because it cleared this" or "maybe the job isn't for you" topic; since that's all we're capable of doing.

Because like most things, the truth is in the middle, and heaven forbid the internet acknowledge nuance. Anyone who waltzes in saying "Drk 1st=Drk fine" is being 1 dimensional and dumb. Similarly, you cant counter a dumb idea with another dumb idea by saying "World 1st means nothing" because that's absurd too. If drk was a serious liability, then it would have held back a group that made IRL sacrifices just to attempt it, and that wouldn't last long. World 1st point out that the extreme end of "Drk is broken dumpster trash" is BS. World 1st isn't a club to bludgeon people with to stfu, and you cant just ignore it claiming 100% player skill. It defines a lower bound to 'how bad' a job is. Not so bad it cant be world 1st.

[Mahrze]

Because like most things, the truth is in the middle, and heaven forbid the internet acknowledge nuance. Anyone who waltzes in saying "Drk 1st=Drk fine" is being 1 dimensional and dumb. Similarly, you cant counter a dumb idea with another dumb idea by saying "World 1st means nothing" because that's absurd too. If drk was a serious liability, then it would have held back a group that made IRL sacrifices just to attempt it, and that wouldn't last long. World 1st point out that the extreme end of "Drk is broken dumpster trash" is BS. World 1st isn't a club to bludgeon people with to stfu, and you cant just ignore it claiming 100% player skill. It defines a lower bound to 'how bad' a job is. Not so bad it cant be world 1st.

The fact we're still on the topic of "viable" 8 pages in shows we're not on the same page of the argument. The truth has always been the job is viable, it lacked certain buffs that were nice qols recently but it was never about "being unable to clear x". It proved its viable on the first crutch argument (UCOB) and it proves it now(UWU), but again, are the complaints actually sustained in the lack of viability? or are they really about gameplay?

Is it viable even though its gameplay is lacking? That is the rhetorical question,the current status and has been the status of DRK since 4.0. And that we're trying to branch out nuance on a point that is not only a given (being viable, because every job is) it brings nothing to move forward on what was asked and acknowledged by the team and that we at this point can only expect happen in 5.0.

Are the complaints justified? About as justified as the opinions of those who oppose it. But if your only argument is "viable" (which hasn't been the point for a good portion of those talking about DRK and its issues) then we'll still be here, with the same points ad nauseaum.