So about Summoner...

[RainDurell]

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RDM is in a bad spot, i agree, but that isn't the subject I'm talking about. And I completely agree that having one job being better all the time is bad, that's why I started this topic, SMN IS better most if not all the time, I'm not saying "buff blm", I'm saying that for the amount of utility and mobility smn have, they shouldn't be doing more damage than ALL melee dps. They should be somewhere on par with DRG/NIN, not above.

[Tex_Mex]

RDM is in a bad spot, i agree, but that isn't the subject I'm talking about. And I completely agree that having one job being better all the time is bad, that's why I started this topic, SMN IS better most if not all the time, I'm not saying "buff blm", I'm saying that for the amount of utility and mobility smn have, they shouldn't be doing more damage than ALL melee dps. They should be somewhere on par with DRG/NIN, not above.

Im fairly certain that if you add on the rDPS contribution of NIN and DRG to their pDPS, they are easily competing with (or likely surpassing) the total for both BLM and SMN. Melee DPS are still in a pretty darn good spot right now as well. (Though there is a good argument to be made about the nature of damage debuffs - looking at you piercing debuff) This is honestly some of the best class balance we've ever seen out of SE.