So about Summoner...

[Tex_Mex]

Unfortunately, it appears that your bias is getting the better of you at this point. Your comments read like you are just a BLM that believes they should be doing the most damage all the time because they aren't allowed to move. Both BLM and SMN are in really good places right now, so I feel like the devs time would be better spent helping out the heavily underperforming jobs (like RDM). Having one job just be better all the time is just bad design.

[RainDurell]

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RDM is in a bad spot, i agree, but that isn't the subject I'm talking about. And I completely agree that having one job being better all the time is bad, that's why I started this topic, SMN IS better most if not all the time, I'm not saying "buff blm", I'm saying that for the amount of utility and mobility smn have, they shouldn't be doing more damage than ALL melee dps. They should be somewhere on par with DRG/NIN, not above.

[Tex_Mex]

RDM is in a bad spot, i agree, but that isn't the subject I'm talking about. And I completely agree that having one job being better all the time is bad, that's why I started this topic, SMN IS better most if not all the time, I'm not saying "buff blm", I'm saying that for the amount of utility and mobility smn have, they shouldn't be doing more damage than ALL melee dps. They should be somewhere on par with DRG/NIN, not above.

Im fairly certain that if you add on the rDPS contribution of NIN and DRG to their pDPS, they are easily competing with (or likely surpassing) the total for both BLM and SMN. Melee DPS are still in a pretty darn good spot right now as well. (Though there is a good argument to be made about the nature of damage debuffs - looking at you piercing debuff) This is honestly some of the best class balance we've ever seen out of SE.

[Zerathor]

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BLM is in a good spot atm, but for how minimal their gain is, (especially on certain fights) it's not spectacular enough to ignore a missing raise that smn brings. SMN is in a really BS strong place as THE meta caster.

Rdm could use some help though

[Tex_Mex]

BLM is in a good spot atm, but for how minimal their gain is, (especially on certain fights) it's not spectacular enough to ignore a missing raise that smn brings. SMN is in a really BS strong place as THE meta caster.

Rdm could use some help though

I still don't think that nerfing SMN is the right solution. If you want to argue for anything, choose to buff BLM utility or something like that. BLM used to have the niche that it would never run out of MP, but this got removed with SB when resource management for all classes basically became a joke. Maybe some sort of group utility like a raid wide magic damage barrier could be introduced. That would fit with the job and add some non DPS related flavor to the game.

[Zerathor]

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Utility would be neat, but it won't happen. If it did, they'd nerf their damage as well. Meaning a blm playing at maximum potential would be equal to a smn. How good does one shield need to be to be equal to being able to raise? It'd be a lot or have a low cd.