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    Quote Originally Posted by Alleo View Post
    I really hope that they never stagger it so much again. Give us at least one new content with release or maybe two weeks later but not this split up.
    We literally just got Ultimate yesterday, but oh wait, because that's not something you can even participate in it's not "content", am I right?

    Honestly the constant back and forth in this thread is hilarious. Ultimately (lol), what it boils down to is what people consider "content" and whether it is relevant or even doable by those complaining. I'm probably never going to do ultimate, yet I would be foolish to claim it wasn't content. Likewise, just because it takes me 5 minutes a day to do my Namazu dailies, doesn't mean it isn't content. Just because you burn through everything casual in a few hours after release doesn't mean it has no longevity and isn't content.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CorbinDallas View Post
    We literally just got Ultimate yesterday, but oh wait, because that's not something you can even participate in it's not "content", am I right?
    Oh man, that amazing 4.31 patch that just dropped! All that amazing content!

    Oh wait... it only contained content that only 1% of the player base will actually see. Why did this need its own patch, exactly? It could've easily been included in the initial 4.3 patch, without it really having much of an effect on the player's choice.

    They'd have been better off releasing HoH with 4.31, and the new part of Eureka with 4.35. That'd actually give content to more than 1% of the player base.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nezerius View Post
    Oh man, that amazing 4.31 patch that just dropped! All that amazing content!

    Oh wait... it only contained content that only 1% of the player base will actually see. Why did this need its own patch, exactly? It could've easily been included in the initial 4.3 patch, without it really having much of an effect on the player's choice.

    They'd have been better off releasing HoH with 4.31, and the new part of Eureka with 4.35. That'd actually give content to more than 1% of the player base.
    It's still content no matter how much you disagree with it's implementation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CorbinDallas View Post
    It's still content no matter how much you disagree with it's implementation.
    Content which only 1% of the playerbase can see outside Twitch is not meaningful content for those players. And this is coming from someone progging Ultimate.

    They easily could have released Heaven on High or something for everyone else. Spacing out Ultimate isn't the problem, it's how they chose to space out all the major content updates. This wouldn't be as bad if what released in 4.3 lasted longer than a week.

    Someone mentioned it several pages back. It feels like SE has begun handling the entire playerbase like we're children. "No, no. We don't want you to overtax yourselves. Here's one toy to play with. We'll let you have the other when we think you're ready." Granted, the cynic in me says they started doing this because it likely keeps people subbed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nezerius View Post
    Oh man, that amazing 4.31 patch that just dropped! All that amazing content!

    Oh wait... it only contained content that only 1% of the player base will actually see. Why did this need its own patch, exactly? It could've easily been included in the initial 4.3 patch, without it really having much of an effect on the player's choice.

    They'd have been better off releasing HoH with 4.31, and the new part of Eureka with 4.35. That'd actually give content to more than 1% of the player base.
    I can see the wisdom of having the Ultimate fights not in the initial patch.

    That gives people time to do the rest of the patch's stuff at their own pace, without having to rush due to world first races.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TaranTatsuuchi View Post
    I can see the wisdom of having the Ultimate fights not in the initial patch.

    That gives people time to do the rest of the patch's stuff at their own pace, without having to rush due to world first races.
    That's exactly why they space it out, they said so in the initial 4.3 Live Letter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TaranTatsuuchi View Post
    I can see the wisdom of having the Ultimate fights not in the initial patch.

    That gives people time to do the rest of the patch's stuff at their own pace, without having to rush due to world first races.
    Heaven forbid people actually have to choose what content they want to prioritize.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MageBlack View Post
    Heaven forbid people actually have to choose what content they want to prioritize.
    because it's not a choice.

    the Ultimate crowd will directly jump into Ultimate for world first instead of learning/farming the new Ex Trial.

    the current EX Trial drops a weapon, Eureka is going to let us upgrade our weapons. Even Heaven-On-High gives us weapons?

    and if the new stage of Eureka is anything similar to the current one it is going to be great for Tomes, which means a lot less people will be doing Expert, which means a lot less people will be running Swallow's Compass.

    it's not much of a choice when the varying pieces of content directly one ups each other in terms of rewards.

    the Ex Trial will be completely dead besides the rare dog farming group once the new Eureka stage is released.

    i do hope 4.35 is late June, early July and not late July though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MageBlack View Post
    Heaven forbid people actually have to choose what content they want to prioritize.
    Choice also only works well when you think of individual people (and as Sendohjin pointed out, when content gives similar prizes, the choice becomes illusionary as people will go for what gives the best reward).

    But when you think of a community. Well maybe I want to do Eureka, but my friends want to do HoH.
    Maybe some elite raiders want to go straight for UwU, while others would have liked to farm the EX trial first.
    Especially for uwu, it means that people who want who aren't trying ultimate but want to watch the world race (and it can be difficult to watch while trying to do your own stuff) had the chance to get their other goals done beforehand, increasing the ability to enjoy the spectacle.

    By spacing things out, it gives people who play together something to focus on without having to worry about their individual preferences.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Squintina View Post
    Choice also only works well when you think of individual people (and as Sendohjin pointed out, when content gives similar prizes, the choice becomes illusionary as people will go for what gives the best reward).

    But when you think of a community. Well maybe I want to do Eureka, but my friends want to do HoH.
    Maybe some elite raiders want to go straight for UwU, while others would have liked to farm the EX trial first.
    Especially for uwu, it means that people who want who aren't trying ultimate but want to watch the world race (and it can be difficult to watch while trying to do your own stuff) had the chance to get their other goals done beforehand, increasing the ability to enjoy the spectacle.

    By spacing things out, it gives people who play together something to focus on without having to worry about their individual preferences.
    Oh no! having options is hard....

    Kinda amusing how you comment its the illusion of choice then give the fictitious scenario where they WERE all released at once and try to bolster your argument by saying everyone chooses to do something different...

    I get delaying the time consuming content a little bit from the story experience (even though the story isnt going anywhere and there are no world first races for story) but couldnt they have added the other three pieces of the patch all at the same time? The defending of this is just bizarre, and I'm a bloody white knight for this game... or at least I used to be.
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