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    While yea, it can be used as quite a effective trolling method, I still don't think Rescue should be removed outright.

    There are plenty of people that are using the skill correctly, so getting rid of a skill because of a few morons I think is unnecessary. It's the fault of those using it incorrectly, not the skill itself that is the issue.

    There are so many other ways people can troll and kill you, from the healer not healing you, to the tank shirking, just not pulling, or pulling out of Tank stance and just letting the mobs eat you when you eventually pulled hate again.

    Report them, blacklist and move on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Esp View Post
    Report them, blacklist and move on.
    Why I didn't bother to even do it is because I am pretty sure they will get away without anything, so I'll just waste my time.
    Give a tool to trolls to harass people, but at the same time it isn't much of an offense so that even if trolls use it, they won't risk much... or nothing at all (most probably this).

    The biggest problem is that unlike shirk or the aggro system, here, you can force a player movement, and important part, against his will.

    Quote Originally Posted by Neri View Post
    Just put in the safety net for the rescue. Once cast on someone, a window pop up: Do you wish to be rescued? (Yes) (No) then another window pop up after choosing either (yes) or (no) Are you absolutely certain? (Yes) (No)

    Would be fun...
    Well why not ?

    If you guys find it so useful, then you should have the option to make it effective on you or not (like a invisible debuff or a checkbox in the options ?).
    You play with your friend, you "turn it on" and let it have its effect on you.
    You play in a pug, you have the possibility to "turn it off", to "decline" Rescues.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tizzy_Tormentor View Post
    I used it to save a lot of people in a multitude of situations, between pulling people onto the tile for Phelgaton, pulling people out of the Tsunami in Famfrit, it has its uses.

    People are always gonna grief (I'm no saint here, I did jump from Titan and pull my friend down for laffs near the end) but at the end of the day, legit skill with a good purpose.
    As I said earlier, it's OK if you're messing around with a friend. But would you do it to strangers ?
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    Last edited by Moogly; 06-06-2018 at 02:53 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moogly View Post
    As I said earlier, it's OK if you're messing around with a friend. But would you do it to strangers ?
    Only at the very end of a fight, when the boss is a sure kill. I do it sometimes and since it doesn't affect anything, its taken in good humour.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tizzy_Tormentor View Post
    Only at the very end of a fight, when the boss is a sure kill. I do it sometimes and since it doesn't affect anything, its taken in good humour.
    Well let me tell you this : this is rude.
    And I really, reaaally doubt it always end up in good humour.
    That is definitely a lie.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moogly View Post
    Well let me tell you this : this is rude.
    And I really, reaaally doubt it always end up in good humour.
    That is definitely a lie.
    Is it tho? No one has ever called me out for pulling them off the edge literally 2-3 seconds before Titan/Ozma/etc die. Not like I do it all the time. Usually get a "lol" or a bit of banter, not like I do it to screw anyone over.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tizzy_Tormentor View Post
    or a bit of banter
    I think you need to reconsider the way people react.
    ... I don't know but... feels like soooooooooo many people in here have empathy problems...

    Yea a bit of a banter... are you so sure about it ?
    Or are you yourself actually one of those trolls ?
    Wouldn't surprise me if they'd come in here and advocate strongly against the removal...

    Anyway, Neri had a pretty good idea : make it the player to decide.
    Have it as an ingame option, to activate or deactivate rescuing on you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moogly View Post
    Anyway, Neri had a pretty good idea : make it the player to decide.
    Have it as an ingame option, to activate or deactivate rescuing on you.
    Rather than outright removing Rescue, I would happily accept this as a compromise. WoW has something similar whereby you can use an item (made by engineers) to reverse the effects of movement forcing abilities. I think Priest had one, can't remember its name though. So Blizzard saw the need to add it. And I'm assuming the same would apply here. The reason I can't see it being added though, because of the Japanese mainstay of this game, and I doubt they do this sort of stuff (as it breaches their codes of honour that they for the most part live and die by).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spiroglyph View Post
    Boi if you got kicked for the same thing in over 20 duties I strongly suggest you think hard on whatever the hell it is you're doing

    As I'm sure you are well aware, it takes more than one person to be able to kick a player from a duty, so in all those instances there were at least two people agreeing they'd be better off without you tanking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moogly View Post
    I think you need to reconsider the way people react.
    ... I don't know but... feels like soooooooooo many people in here have empathy problems...

    Yea a bit of a banter... are you so sure about it ?
    Or are you yourself actually one of those trolls ?
    Wouldn't surprise me if they'd come in here and advocate strongly against the removal...

    Anyway, Neri had a pretty good idea : make it the player to decide.
    Have it as an ingame option, to activate or deactivate rescuing on you.
    If anyone spoke up and expressed that it upset or annoyed them, I would stop, but so far that hasn't happened.
    Also, you seem very accusatory, I rarely use Rescue and when I do its mostly to be helpful, sometimes I will drag someone to their death when the boss is literally 1% and it doesn't seem to have caused any hard feelings so far.
    You don't need to accuse me of being a troll, not everyone who thinks Rescue is useful is out to get you.
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