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    Remove role action Rescue : only a tool for trolling and poor gameplay

    Yesterday, a healer killed me by pulling me into an aoe, because he said I was pulling aggro on his tank friend and it was a punishment :s
    I was pulling aggro on packs with scatter...
    So you group with your friend, you take an afk after each boss, your DRK friend don't even use unleash and lose aggro on scatters even though I burned diversion and lucid, and the best thing to do is to kill me :s ?
    After I warned him he'll get reported (since he clearly told me it was for the giggles and that some bullying wouldn't hurt) he was all like, "I apologized so GM won't say anything...." Like I cared, I asked for my kick : not dealing with trolls like that...
    In the end, I didn't report that healer... because well, I have better things to do... but will definitely consider taking time to fill a report next time because I can't let a few toxic players ruin a great community that is already suffering from a few rotten apples.
    I was trolled once like this, but that second time is the straw that broke my sanity, especially for such a retarded reason... also 2 people grouping together to be jerks like that... Wow trolls :s

    Anyway, back on topic, I have rarely seen Rescue used correctly ingame. In fact, I think I only ever saw it used efficiently once or twice.

    So far, what I've seen Rescue used for :
    - Trolling (80% of the time) : pulling people into AOE, pits or breaking openers. I honestly don't care if you like to do it between friends, but doing it to strangers is plain rude. From my POV, this qualifies as harassement.
    - A genuine will to pull people out of danger (19% of the time)... that actually fails and kill them. Lately, seen so many rescuing in tskuyomi ex.... healer rescuing people (or me) that were running in the right direction... to put them in the wrong color. And the sad part is they keep trying even if you tell them to stop. Learn about LAG dude ! It's not because you're seeing me in the void zone, that I'm actually still in it you know ?
    - A successful rescue : < 1%

    Also, looks like some misinformed people use a role slot for that useless spell, and leave out some spells that have much more importance, like Esuna... or even swiftcast ! Did a Rido lighthouse in which a healer was Rescuing for nothing.... and hardcasting all the rezzes !
    And yes I did ask him, he said things like Rescue were more pertinent for this raid.... Rescue more pertinent than SWIFTCAST ? OK. Hopefully healer 2 had more brains.
    I already have to deal with the game mechanics, so if I also have to deal with 12 y_o trolls.... dude is the game going to get harder and harder.

    Yea, yea, ucob WF did some incredible rescuing, but you know what guys ? Most healers out there aren't Lucrezia's healer, and are far from his skill.

    tl;dr
    As it was predicted long before : Rescue is only used for trolling purpose or with very low efficiency - it's actually even counter-productive most of the time it tries to be genuinely used for rescuing purpose.
    Just remove it since it is more and more becoming a tool for trolling, than an actual tool for healer.

    EDIT:
    So it all started as a joke :
    Quote Originally Posted by Neri View Post
    Just put in the safety net for the rescue. Once cast on someone, a window pop up: Do you wish to be rescued? (Yes) (No) then another window pop up after choosing either (yes) or (no) Are you absolutely certain? (Yes) (No)

    Would be fun...
    But it would actually be perfect if we had the possibility to allow others to rescue us or not.
    Make it a checkbox in game options.
    That would solve the problem definitely.

    Thanks Neri, lol
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    Last edited by Moogly; 06-06-2018 at 03:01 AM.

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    I'm going to stop you right there.

    You are wasting your time.

    1: Report the player for griefing. - If the GM says no...then you obviously messed up.
    2: The skill is very useful and properly tuned for what it can do. I've used it myself for helping my sprouts dodge some nasty AoE's.

    Just because you hate the skill..doens't mean its wrong.....its how its used.
    Deal with the root problem..not with the skill.

    This is akin to saying Car's are wrong and should be banned because people get killed by them. The Car is a machine....the driver is the one who determines its use. And yes I realize cars can have defects/issues with it....the point is still valid as I've seen rescue misfire due to latency or other things as well.

    Just because you've seen it abused..doesn't mean everyone else is abusing it...that's a statement out of ignorance.

    Nough said.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NephthysVasudan View Post
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    I doubt I said that everybody was abusing it. That's why I clearly gave relative % based on my exp.
    It's roughly as I said, it's either people use it to troll or try to use it and fail.
    Maybe you guys do use it right and whatever, I never said I never saw it used right, but the strong experience I have of that skill being used on me or other players around me is just that : trolls and fails.
    And just lurk a little and you'll see similar threads.

    @BluexBird
    Your comparison with tank LB is irrelevant.
    Rescue is actually the only skill that can be used to move a player character other than yours.
    That specificity in itself is crucial, and is the one being exploited to grief other people.
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    Player NephthysVasudan's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moogly View Post
    I doubt I said that everybody was abusing it. That's why I clearly gave relative % based on my exp.
    It's roughly as I said, it's either people use it to troll or try to use it and fail.
    Maybe you guys do use it right and whatever, I never said I never saw it used right, but the strong experience I have of that skill being used on me or other players around me is just that : trolls and fails.
    And just lurk a little and you'll see similar threads.

    @BluexBird
    Your comparison with tank LB is irrelevant.
    Rescue is actually the only skill that can be used to move a player character other than yours.
    That specificity in itself is crucial, and is the one being exploited to grief other people.
    Yet you made a thread demanding its removal.
    Can't have it both ways..make up your mind.
    You're OP makes it black and white...taking the fence here just makes you look like you didn't think this through.
    The title alone is clear enough of your intent.
    Oh yes..many threads have been made. Tell me - did you bother to read them? I thought so.
    Furthermore - You just contradicted yourself horribly in replying to BluexBird. Make up your mind already!
    You condemn the skill for the "few" instances you report.
    What's next? Demanding removal of Shirk because the Tank decided to dump enmity on you for a mistake?
    Black Mage Aetherrial Manipulation to be banned because they brought a targeted attack to you and knocked you down?
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    Last edited by NephthysVasudan; 06-06-2018 at 12:48 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NephthysVasudan View Post
    Yet you made a thread demanding its removal.
    Can't have it both ways..make up your mind.
    You're OP makes it black and white...taking the fence here just makes you look like you didn't think this through.
    The title alone is clear enough of your intent.
    Oh yes..many threads have been made. Tell me - did you bother to read them? I thought so.
    Furthermore - You just contradicted yourself horribly in replying to BluexBird. Make up your mind already!
    You condemn the skill for the "few" instances you report.
    What's next? Demanding removal of Shirk because the Tank decided to dump enmity on you for a mistake?
    Black Mage Aetherrial Manipulation to be banned because they brought a targeted attack to you and knocked you down?
    Yes and I am still asking for its removal, where did u see me change my mind ?
    I didnt think this through ?
    Talk about reading, but did you read my post actually ?
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    UCOB World First had a Rescue that saved the run.
    Let this sink in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zuzu-bq View Post
    UCOB World First had a Rescue that saved the run.
    Let this sink in.
    Read bold text in my OP
    Let it also sink in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zuzu-bq View Post
    UCOB World First had a Rescue that saved the run.
    Let this sink in.
    Most UCOB runs didn't need Rescue at all.

    Let that sink in.

    Leap of Faith causes the exact same problems in WoW. Rarely do you see players using it as intended, it's usually a guild run when it is. Outside of guilds, it's used for griefing the majority of the time.

    A neat a concept as it is, it's usually used for the opposite effect. Players have been killing bosses for years without Rescue. They'll continue killing them if it's removed from the game and probably with a better success rate as the griefers stop intentionally killing group members for their sociopathic giggles.
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    In any case I'll gladly rescue you if I have the chance to play with you someday !
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    Its not even on my hotbar. If I can do mechanics so can you.
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