Another WHM chicken little sees the sky falling. The sky is an AST.

[GunksFoy]

Succor isn't 3s and Aspected Helios is also that.

Overall it looks like these were fairly well thought out changes. I don't expect the sky to fall on WHM.

I don't disagree necessarily. I just think they could have easily tied the 2.5s cast to Noct and left Diurnal at 3s. Overall, it's a very tiny buff as you don't actually use THAT many Med II/A. Helios, I was just pointing out that it is a buff. I actually think the Malefic changes are the bigger buff. No card clipping means more spells per fight overall, as well as a shorter cast time meaning more mobility. All in all, I think Ast saw some pretty large buffs with this patch. Whether that's good or bad is for someone else to debate, as I don't have any healers at 70 atm.

[miraidensetsu]

Out of curiosity, why do you feel this way?

Because AST gained a great buff on its personal DPS (malefic I/II/III will be 40% faster w/o lightspeed), what will increase his DPS contribution that already outshine the DPS contribution of a WHM. And with the lightspeed buff, AST will have any downside besides RNG when drawing cards.

SCH will have an AoE regen that heals at a 840 potency total without cast time or mana cost. Medica II heals at a 700 potency AND consumes MP AND is a GCD spell with a 3 seconds cast time.

On top of that, no buffs to WHM. No raise to its DPS contribution, no raid utility... It's like that S-E wants to enforce SCH/AST comp.

[Ghishlain]

Because AST gained a great buff on its personal DPS (malefic I/II/III will be 40% faster w/o lightspeed), what will increase his DPS contribution that already outshine the DPS contribution of a WHM. And with the lightspeed buff, AST will have any downside besides RNG when drawing cards.

SCH will have an AoE regen that heals at a 840 potency total without cast time or mana cost. Medica II heals at a 700 potency AND consumes MP AND is a GCD spell with a 3 seconds cast time.

On top of that, no buffs to WHM. No raise to its DPS contribution, no raid utility... It's like that S-E wants to enforce SCH/AST comp.

Ah, I see. I don't want to sound offensive but you've misinterpreted the changes and don't quite have a full understanding of how the SCH pet works either. I hope I can clear it up with the small text wall below.

The AST change is a cast time only change. The recast remains the same at 2.5s. Even though AST will cast their DPS spells faster, their GCD will still be under the same constraint as the other healers. The cast time reduction will allow the AST to actually weave oGCDs (Cards, ED) better without clipping their GCD, making them a bit less clunky. They will probably gain about 2-3 more GCDs per minute and not gain an additional 40% increase in GCDs.

The second thing about the SCH change is the fact that the fairies suffer a stat hit. A fairy's poteny is actually about 66% as powerful as how it's stated on the tooltip. This means Embrace is 165 potency/tick and Whispering Dawn will become approximately 79 potency/tick (total of 553 potency) once the patch hits. This is actually a nerf to overall total potency because the change from Spell to Ability on Whispering Dawn means it won't gain bonuses from things like Fey Illumination, Rouse, Convalescence, Mantra, Defiance, etc..

I hope this little blurb alleviates your concerns regarding WHM

[Tridus]

Because AST gained a great buff on its personal DPS (malefic I/II/III will be 40% faster w/o lightspeed), what will increase his DPS contribution that already outshine the DPS contribution of a WHM. And with the lightspeed buff, AST will have any downside besides RNG when drawing cards.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but IIRC, Lightspeed doesn't reduce your GCD. So while Malefic will be faster, you can't get more of them under it aside from what you gain from not clipping due to cards. It mostly just means you can actually use Maleific during Lightspeed because the damage loss is gone.

SCH will have an AoE regen that heals at a 840 potency total without cast time or mana cost. Medica II heals at a 700 potency AND consumes MP AND is a GCD spell with a 3 seconds cast time.

SCH already had that, and it was stronger. Rouse not working on it any more is a nerf to it at the high end of play.

On top of that, no buffs to WHM. No raise to its DPS contribution, no raid utility... It's like that S-E wants to enforce SCH/AST comp.

Again, I'm not seeing it. We'll have to see how it plays out but I'm just not seeing how this dooms WHM.

[KDSilver]

SCH will have an AoE regen that heals at a 840 potency total without cast time or mana cost. Medica II heals at a 700 potency AND consumes MP AND is a GCD spell with a 3 seconds cast time..

Pet actions potency aren't the same as healers actions potencies because of how the pet scaling works.
Their healing actions is around 80% of their actual potencies. So it's not a raw 840 potency, but more something like 700, so the same as Medica II (because of 2 less heal ticks).
Besides, "will have", not really, because right now, that's what you can do by pairing Rouse + WD (and any other healing buff such as Fey Illumination, Mantra).

So, that change to WD is a slight nerf and isn't something to complain about.

Because AST gained a great buff on its personal DPS (malefic I/II/III will be 40% faster w/o lightspeed), what will increase his DPS contribution that already outshine the DPS contribution of a WHM. And with the lightspeed buff, AST will have any downside besides RNG when drawing cards.

Only the cast time is reduced, not the global cooldown. He might be able to cast some more malefic because he'll has more mobility and less clipping, but it won't be a huge gain since potencies remains the same. WHM will still outdps Astrologian. Besides, Astrologian will still stay more GCD reliant for healing that a WHM (Benison every 30s, plenary as an additionnal aoe heal, both Tetra and Bene, still Cure III where Ast might need 2 helios ect, CU stopping ast to move...).

[IanR]

WD overhealed a lot even in savege contents, so it think i wont actually hit much

[KDSilver]

With a proper use on dedicated mechanics and coordination with the other healer, it healed just what was needeed.

[Jxnibbles]

Oh can now more easily dps, less stress on MP, and less clipping, and free movement..

I will see come patch day but I am thinking about putting my staff away, less reason to play Whm if it has very little going. Cure III nobody stacks for that anyway, Mp also seems like it shouldn't even be a issue anymore. Oh well.

[Ghishlain]

Oh can now more easily dps, less stress on MP, and less clipping, and free movement..

I will see come patch day but I am thinking about putting my staff away, less of a reason to play Whm if it has very little going for it oh well.

You'll probably still want to play WHM for first week of 24 mans. It's going to be a progression-style wipe fest for that whole week and WHMs heavy resource pool will help you get through that mess.

[Squintina]

Yeah the SCH WD is a potency nerf (One I'll gladly take in return for it being instant for some more effective timing), so WHM should be happy about that.

FU change is nice. It just means a person doesn't have to NOT use FU just because they know they'll be using a pet skill in the very near future because of the hassle of turning it on/off. Now it's less hassle, but overall it doesn't affect its potency so it doesn't affect WHM.

AST change doesn't change their GCD. So they'll still cast the same malefics per minute, they just get time to weave some card actions (a much needed change to reduce clipping), and the Aspected Helios buff was not a potency buff as people feared. This shouldn't affect WHM much, if at all.

WHM has nothing to worry about. They're still prog and pug clear meta (SCH/AST meta is for speed/parse runs).