Another WHM chicken little sees the sky falling. The sky is an AST.

[Jxnibbles]

You'll probably still want to play WHM for first week of 24 mans. It's going to be a progression-style wipe fest for that whole week and WHMs heavy resource pool will help you get through that mess.

I will be fine nobody stacks for Cure 3 anyway, Aspected Helios is like what 40 potency less then med 2. As for the Mp will probably be a wipe if it I need to raise a bunch anyway.

[Exiled_Tonberry]

I mean the AST Changes are good, but I really don't understand where the "time to quit WHM" stuff is coming from.
Nothing has changed other than the people who already played AST can play it slightly better. Lightspeed is incredibly strong now, but that's really it. Their healing or DPS won't be getting significantly stronger.

[Risvertasashi]

I mean the AST Changes are good, but I really don't understand where the "time to quit WHM" stuff is coming from.

Yeah I don't think these changes are significant, balance wise. IMO a much bigger threat would be if SE uses more spread mechanics next tier, making WHM's cure 3 much less useful.

That being said, it's always going to be a long term concern -- so long as these 2 healers have highly similar kits while Scholar remains uncontested.

[Ceasaria]

It's time for a lesson I guess before WHM continue to critic AST.

Let's talk about the changes in his mana.

In the most case, now, Lightspeed will be use to cast Malefics III every 120 sec.
With Celestial Opposition, it goes to 20 sec, so 8-9 Malefics III which will cost 2400-2700 MP less.

With the end of the clipping, and now the free moving, AST will have more cast, meaning, more mana consumption.
So, 2-3 extra cast by min, meaning 5 cast every 120 sec = 3000 MP.

Do you see an improvement in the mana management here or not ? no there isn't, and now to be able to cast more, Lightspeed will become mandatory.

In fight (as Kefka god) where you have to do a lot of Aoe heal, yes, it will be better, but otherwise this and for rez, mana will be unchanged.


In the end, AST (who play already at high level, doubt it will touch below) will do more dps (~5%) because of the extra cast, and it's well deserved for the most complex job (with sch) in this game.

[Bahati]

As a WHM having so many tools to increase DPS uptime is what those who play it should be focusing on.

It doesn't matter if AST has a buff to lightspeed, we have Thin Air, PoM and Cleric Stance.

In my mind WHM should be played like an off DPS that has a ton of ability to clutch heal between damage. Those who prefer to play WHM as a "pure healer" or are still getting comfortable with the toolkit will find the class lack luster until they actually maximize it's strengths.

[CaeliaCat]

Well, even with more spread mechanics, Medica 2 out-ranges Aspected Helios, Assize out-ranges Earthly Star, Plenary Indulgance is like 30 yalms (had to look that one up). Definitely don't hang up the canes if you enjoy playing WHM..

That said. I would like to see Presence of Mind brought down to 2 minutes now that Lightspeed is being buffed to the same, and maybe damage could come back to Fluid Aura as something to weave oGCD (even if it means removing the knockback). WHM already has Repose and Holy stun for CC abilities, Fluid Aura is a wasted opportunity.

[Tridus]

That said. I would like to see Presence of Mind brought down to 2 minutes now that Lightspeed is being buffed to the same, and maybe damage could come back to Fluid Aura as something to weave oGCD (even if it means removing the knockback). WHM already has Repose and Holy stun for CC abilities, Fluid Aura is a wasted opportunity.

This is the missing thing, yeah. WHM has no real answer for weaving, not to mention no real equivalent to Ruin 2 for when there's lots of running.

[Squintina]

This is the missing thing, yeah. WHM has no real answer for weaving, not to mention no real equivalent to Ruin 2 for when there's lots of running.

Well technically Aero does initial damage of 50 potency + 30 potency dot with 6 ticks (unlike sch's bio 2 or ast's combust, which only have the dot effect). The initial damage itself is technically spammable instant damage.

So a WHM could just spam aero while running and technically be using an instant damage skill.

The fluid aura suggestion for becoming a damage-only ogcd (similar to AST's lords or SCH's Energy drain) does sound nice.

[Fernosaur]

I think the Asp. Helios cast time buff was put in place to make it somewhat more on par with Succor. DiAST won't notice it, but NoctAST will make slightly more use of it.

I do think the new Lightspeed is a little bit too strong, but tbh it's wtv, I play SCH so I have no right to complain about the strength of other jobs :P

How dare they nerf my WD by 20 potency tho

I mean the AST Changes are good, but I really don't understand where the "time to quit WHM" stuff is coming from.
Nothing has changed other than the people who already played AST can play it slightly better. Lightspeed is incredibly strong now, but that's really it. Their healing or DPS won't be getting significantly stronger.

Who are you and what did you do to Tonberry?! D:

[LadyKairi]

How do you think the Lightspeed changes will affect their aoe damage? Think ast is new aoe king? I figured someone here would know the math