Cash shop pricing is getting a bit much...

[Krotoan]

And your post about saying that people just dont want those prices because they dont earn enough money wont help me understand your perspective very little. We have given more reasons than that put you put them down to: We dont earn enough and thats why we dislike it. Thats also not how to do a discussion. I did use a bigger price because I wanted to point out how one could even use the argument there. Lets get a bit down. If they go around and add a mount for 50$. Would you be fine with that? Would you go around and say that people just dont earn enough money and thus should not complain about the price. When will they reach your comfortable zone? And yet when they reach that another person can just come and say: Welp they can do whatever they want this is just glamour and since I can buy this without a problem you should not complain because you just need to earn more.

This was my point of the post. To show that even if they would raise the price soo high that you could use your argument still. So it does not make a good argument for me. (And enough people already pointed out that they could buy it but that they still find it too high)

I'm sorry suggesting you go out and acquire the resources necessary to achieve your goal is so antagonizing.
Reasons given:
It's too much
it shouldn't be for money
this is a small step on the path to total monetization
SE needs to make these items accessible to all even those who cannot pay money

I think i've addressed all of this during the thread but I'll recap:
It's equal to or less than other similar services from other games.
It wouldn't exist if the money wasn't being paid for it.
Being afraid to offer things because they can be taken to unwanted levels or being against things for the same reason is alarmist and prevents lots of good things from possibly happening.
I don't think they do, it'd be nice but it's not a moral issue.

you can post ridiculous prices over and over and tell me "well what if they.. " but they wouldn't. $200 dollar mounts to you AND me are prohibitively expensive. Just because we're ok with one price isn't a green flag to just throw prices at us until we can't pay, that's not how this works. They do research for what people are willing to pay and price accordingly. You can take any argument to a ridiculous example but it only makes you look unreasonable.

I'm not implying you all are poor peasants who can't afford the things I can cause I'm so much better.. I don't think I'm better and I honestly apologize if that's the message you're getting. I'm saying that there are solid and doable ways to get what you're coveting. If you truly don't find it worth it, then don't buy it. Saying you'd buy it if only it was cheaper is a non-comment though, that's nearly everything for everyone. The stuff will go on sale, so wait. If it's still not enough bang for the buck for you I'd say you'd never buy it unless it gets reduced to spare change.

I really can't describe your attitude as anything but obnoxious and condescending. I have a friend waiting to hear if she needs a third operation for cancer this year, and you can be 100% sure I won't be waving my good health and superior earning power in her face or suggesting she starts looking for secondary employment, since she is unable to do her normal job.

Back to topic
You are assuming everyone arguing against the prices is either poor (oddly enough this is not seen as some sort of moral deficiency where I come from), unable to budget or both. The point of the thread was that the prices in the cash-shop are too high, and in some cases I have to agree; the price of some recent additions does seem pretty steep to me.
It's not that I can't pay, it's that I think the items are overpriced.

I'm sorry you took it that way. I personally find it strange you equate my telling you that people with disadvantages or challenges in their life are capable of doing things as suggesting your suffering friend with cancer needs to go work more. I can be reasonably sure her concerns in life are far worse than "I can't get that eastern dance emote" and getting the money to cover that. You keep acting like I'm telling people in particularly dire situations that I think they need to go make more money though, if it makes you feel superior to me. What I meant was "for the time you would have spend 'grinding' something ingame you could have earned the money to buy the cash shop item". What you seem to think i said was "everyone who cannot afford it is lazy and no matter who you are if you don't like the prices you're just not trying hard enough".

No the point of the thread is that the prices are INCREASING but they are not. They're adhering to standards pretty well.

I won't be so assumptive as to tell you the prices are reasonable for YOU, but I will say that for most of the public they seem to sell reasonably. You are welcome to decide what is worth how much money for yourself, but I will argue with you if you declare others should think so as well. Based on a median income of the average gamer, it's really not that much and compared to other things with similar entertainment value and longevity it's comparably priced.

[Alleo]

I'm sorry suggesting you go out and acquire the resources necessary to achieve your goal is so antagonizing.

Its not about being antagonizing, its about putting the issues that people have with the cash shop, its prices and things like that in a sub MMO down. You can be someone with a huge income and yet still find it bad. (I dont have a huge income but I am far from poor and could buy things from there but I dont anymore for different reasons)

Also I did get down on the prices and went with 50$ on my last post. Again this is more about the: Where will you draw the line? But if they reach your line then cant someone else come and point out that this is simply the price that SE believed it would be right and anyone that cant pay that just needs to earn more thus any concern of you would be nothing?

The thread was also not about price increase. The OP even states that the prices recently have been the same but that they still find it bad because if they want the complete package they need to pay over 50$. Also we simply dont know if this is fine for most of the public. First we dont even know how many people are buying them and how many of those that are buying them do that because they really want it but at the same time still feel bad. And how big is the chance that if SE suddenly decided to drop the prices to 50% people would dislike it? (I would dare to say that quite a few items sold on sale) Because its just surprising to see people argue against decreasing them.

No one is saying you needs be fine with the cash shop. You are, after all, entitled to your opinion. That doesn't mean the cash shop is some massive blight. While you may prefer collecting things, gameplay will always hold superior value because that will remain the core concept of any game. You cannot equate Savage gear to minion. Or if you do, you'll have to accept few will agree they hold equivalent value.

I know thats why I would equally argue in threads if they would ever decide to sell such. It would not matter to me because I dont care for savage but I also know that other people care for it. Sadly it seems that some seems to not care that much that there are people that love glamour and mounts and that its one of the reasons to play. (One could also argue that glamour weapons without stats are not gameplay. The gameplay would be the fight itself which you still could do)

I dont see the cash shop as a massive blight. I have bought stuff from it before but stopped after some of the things SE did. The only recent items were gifts . But I do see the cash shop as one of the problems of FF14 and something which leaves a bit of a bad taste in my mouth. Will it make me unsub? Probably not. But it surely does not create any positive emotions for SE and seeing how they are doing FF15 I am a bit skeptic how far they will go.

I am also fine if you buy stuff from it and I dont hate or dislike anyone that uses it or continue to use it because I can understand that you just want something for it. But I will also not sit silently and just watch.

[Krotoan]

Its not about being antagonizing, its about putting the issues that people have with the cash shop, its prices and things like that in a sub MMO down. You can be someone with a huge income and yet still find it bad. (I dont have a huge income but I am far from poor and could buy things from there but I dont anymore for different reasons)

Also I did get down on the prices and went with 50$ on my last post. Again this is more about the: Where will you draw the line? But if they draw your line then cant someone else come and point out that this is simply the price that SE believed it would be right and anyone that cant pay that just needs to earn more thus any concern of you would be nothing?

The thread was also not about price increase. The OP even states that the prices recently have been the same but that they still find it bad because if they want the complete package they need to pay over 50$. Also we simply dont know if this fine for most of the public. First we dont even know how many people are buying them and how many of those that are buying them to that because they really want it but at the same time still feel bad. And how big is the chance that if SE suddenly decided to drop the prices to 50% people would dislike it? (I would dare to say that quite a few items sold on sale) Because its just surprising to see people argue against decreasing them.

I'm not rich either and hold nothing against those who are or aren't. I will however voice my opinion of those who whine about prices and claim "evil empire" just because a company is trying to bring in some extra dollars. The fact you're paying a sub has absolutely nothing to do with the entirely optional services and items they are offering.

You draw the line when the prices are too high for you. However when it hits that line you just stop buying stuff. This is why I don't have any of the statues. They're too expensive for me. I want them sure, but that's far more than I'd be willing to spend on a statue of a fictional being that'd just sit on my desk. I might buy them if they were 50 bucks, but I don't sit there and complain because it's not what I value them at. I don't understand the crusade to demand lower prices, especially if there are plenty of people willing to pay. Why would they lower the price if the product is selling? I don't need to earn more, I need to understand that if I'm not that interested in buying it, I don't need to buy it.

"I want the complete package but its too much altogether" .. In my head they're complaining because they're releasing too many items at once, which is kind of the opposite of a problem for the consumers. People who frequent the cash shop want more things. The fact that they release a lot at the same time doesn't mean you need to buy them all or that they expect you to, just that they have a clump of items they're releasing at the same time. We know it must be acceptable enough that it's selling decently or the prices would be adjusted or sales would be happening sooner. You don't curtail your cashflow as long as it's happening at an acceptable pace. We'll of course never know WHY people are buying things or not buying things , but you can be assured that they ARE selling at the given prices. Why would SE ever drop the prices %50 permanently when they can drop sales every so often? Get the money from people willing to pay full price and then grab those extra dollars from the people who are actually hedging on the price. I'm not against the price actually falling, that'd benefit me as well. However I wouldn't even consider just posting "it's too expensive.. make it lower" when it's obvious it's selling.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

I know thats why I would equally argue in threads if they would ever decide to sell such. It would not matter to me because I dont care for savage but I also know that other people care for it. Sadly it seems that some seems to not care that much that there are people that love glamour and mounts and that its one of the reasons to play. (One could also argue that glamour weapons without stats are not gameplay. The gameplay would be the fight itself which you still could do)

I dont see the cash shop as a massive blight. I have bought stuff from it before but stopped after some of the things SE did. The only recent items were gifts . But I do see the cash shop as one of the problems of FF14 and something which leaves a bit of a bad taste in my mouth. Will it make me unsub? Probably not. But it surely does not create any positive emotions for SE and seeing how they are doing FF15 I am a bit skeptic how far they will go.

Because you are comparing things which are not of equal value. Unless cosmetics are the gameplay itself (ala The Sims), progression content will always be the driving force behind what keeps a game alive. A handful of mounts or minions being put on the Cash Shop won't impact much as they are essentially a different aesthetic. Take out Sigmascape and suddenly FFXIV has little to offer. Look no further than 3.1. The game suffered a significant population dip because Gordias was far over-tuned and there was little else to do. It's less people not caring and more the majority focus on the gameplay in a game like FFXIV. Those who do care about the aesthetics are also split between willing to spent a little on cash shop stuff and those who refuse.

I, personally, fall into both camps. The gameplay keeps me playing, but I chase aesthetics I fancy even if they pop on the cash shop. A splurge every once in a while just doesn't mean much to me.