Cash shop pricing is getting a bit much...

[Tiraelina]

I didn't say fair investment though. Just large.
The problem I'm trying to point out though is that the idea of "fair" here is very weird if you step back and consider what investing time can get you. Basically most any job you get in the real world lets you exchange time for money. Most people have a going rate for their time and I think it's really odd that people can know this, have a known quantity they'll accept in exchange for their time yet balk at paying a set amount of money for something but ALSO be OK with spending multiple times over that quantity in time to earn the same thing . You seem to understand this basic exchange of money to save time but a lot of the people on here don't.

"it's so expensive", "people overpay".

Your time is the only currency you actually have to spend and you're the only one who can demand value for that time.

all the people who complain about the cost and how they would rather be able to earn it in game even if it takes months. Get your butts out there and make some money. The opportunity to get those items IS there, you just have to spend a little more effort in REAL life.

Hey SE! Let us buy Ultimate weapons and raid drop packs, I don't have time to raid because I'm a working adult with poor time management but I have lots of money!

I can also argue that you should accept your busy adult life that doesn't have as much time free instead of expecting to be able to throw money at everything.

[Sigma-Astra]

Hey SE! Let us buy Ultimate weapons and raid drop packs, I don't have time to raid because I'm a working adult with poor time management but I have lots of money!

I can also argue that you should accept your busy adult life that doesn't have as much time free instead of expecting to be able to throw money at everything.

There are plenty of adults that have a busy life schedule that can still find time to play and raid in this game, even with children. We don't need to jump to extremes just because one person has done so at the end of their debate. Drak is my favorite casual raider to watch that plays XIV and he has a wife and young daughter, but still finds time within his busy schedule to do raiding and have a good time with his buddies for it. Money has nothing to do with it and time management skills is different for everyone.

https://youtu.be/Zdn9dZf8zYM?t=4m50s

Seriously, calm down.

[MomomiMomi]

all the people who complain about the cost and how they would rather be able to earn it in game even if it takes months. Get your butts out there and make some money. The opportunity to get those items IS there, you just have to spend a little more effort in REAL life.

I play this game to play the game. Not so I can spend an hour or two outside of the game to earn an item in the game.

[Rinuko]

I don't think they're gonna be giving you anything.

Yeah. Vstar hates me for disagree with his definition of P2W

[Lalarrific]

all the people who complain about the cost and how they would rather be able to earn it in game even if it takes months. Get your butts out there and make some money. The opportunity to get those items IS there, you just have to spend a little more effort in REAL life.

Some players are disabled and on a fixed income. Go tell someone with cancer or a developmental disability that they aren't working hard enough. Say it to their face; I dare you.

[XiXiQ]

all the people who complain about the cost and how they would rather be able to earn it in game even if it takes months. Get your butts out there and make some money. The opportunity to get those items IS there, you just have to spend a little more effort in REAL life.

presumptious. I can afford the cash shop, but I'm not touching it as I have no desire to encourage it. If some people actually want to play the game to earn items - how does that affect you? You can still go to work for SE if you choose.

[Krotoan]

This is one of the most "BOOTSTRAPS" things I've ever seen on the forums with regards to digitally purchased items. You might want to calm down.

I'm not sure why you think I'm not calm. Capitals in that sentence are meant for emphasis not yelling. I could use italics if it's unclear.

Hey SE! Let us buy Ultimate weapons and raid drop packs, I don't have time to raid because I'm a working adult with poor time management but I have lots of money!

I can also argue that you should accept your busy adult life that doesn't have as much time free instead of expecting to be able to throw money at everything.

You could, but then I could argue the opposite that you're a lazy young person with no drive. I meant it as a perspective changer. Your mileage may vary.

I play this game to play the game. Not so I can spend an hour or two outside of the game to earn an item in the game.

OK. You value your time how you want. Many people would rather spend hours grinding things they don't enjoy to get items for time instead of money. That's weird to me.

Some players are disabled and on a fixed income. Go tell someone with cancer or a developmental disability that they aren't working hard enough. Say it to their face; I dare you.

Way to use a hyper-specific example that anyone in their right mind would make an exception for. Also If you're on a fixed income and have budgeted for a video game but don't have enough to squirrel away a couple dollars a month til you have enough for the item, you probably can't really afford that video game either. You are one misfortune away from disaster. BTW people with cancer and developmental disabilities are still capable of many things, including finding other means of income than hard labor.

presumptious. I can afford the cash shop, but I'm not touching it as I have no desire to encourage it. If some people actually want to play the game to earn items - how does that affect you? You can still go to work for SE if you choose.

It doesn't, if they changed the system so that people could earn them through gameplay I honestly would not have a problem. None. Go for it. Bank 1000 hours toward whatever you like. I'm saying the system as it is now isn't as ridiculously restrictive as people think. You have options. If you're implying I'm a blind defender of SE or the practice you'd be incorrect. They make mistakes, I'm not a fan of what they've done with the app or with their last content release. Those are other threads though.

[heynowjose]

the things is. it's not getting, it's been like this since the start. And while I respect ppls right to complain, the majority of the player base (or at least a portion big enough that square has decided is respectable) is fine paying for these items at their current pricing. And as they are cosmetic only i dont really see the problem

[XiXiQ]

And as they are cosmetic only i dont really see the problem

The only problem is there is no option to earn them in-game instead. It's particularly silly when you have the issue of people running out of things to do, and unsubscribing until the next update. Giving people more optional things to do in game might very well make them more in continued subscriptions and/or keep older content alive - and people still get the option to buy them as well so they are winning on both sides of the equasion. With a little thought it would be simple enough to come up with an in game system as well, and the icing on the cake would be a whole lot less whining about the cash shop.

[MomomiMomi]

OK. You value your time how you want. Many people would rather spend hours grinding things they don't enjoy to get items for time instead of money. That's weird to me.

You're assuming I wouldn't enjoy what I'm doing to earn the items. I see no reason for glamours to not be tradeable. If I could trade for them, then I could do the content I enjoy most in the game, which is crafting and gathering, to my heart's content to earn the items. As the game currently stands, though, there is so little to spend gil on that I haven't put any effort into making gil for the past 3 years. The lack of things to buy in-game is hurting my enjoyment of the game very much.