Cash shop pricing is getting a bit much...

[Krotoan]

This is one of the most "BOOTSTRAPS" things I've ever seen on the forums with regards to digitally purchased items. You might want to calm down.

I'm not sure why you think I'm not calm. Capitals in that sentence are meant for emphasis not yelling. I could use italics if it's unclear.

Hey SE! Let us buy Ultimate weapons and raid drop packs, I don't have time to raid because I'm a working adult with poor time management but I have lots of money!

I can also argue that you should accept your busy adult life that doesn't have as much time free instead of expecting to be able to throw money at everything.

You could, but then I could argue the opposite that you're a lazy young person with no drive. I meant it as a perspective changer. Your mileage may vary.

I play this game to play the game. Not so I can spend an hour or two outside of the game to earn an item in the game.

OK. You value your time how you want. Many people would rather spend hours grinding things they don't enjoy to get items for time instead of money. That's weird to me.

Some players are disabled and on a fixed income. Go tell someone with cancer or a developmental disability that they aren't working hard enough. Say it to their face; I dare you.

Way to use a hyper-specific example that anyone in their right mind would make an exception for. Also If you're on a fixed income and have budgeted for a video game but don't have enough to squirrel away a couple dollars a month til you have enough for the item, you probably can't really afford that video game either. You are one misfortune away from disaster. BTW people with cancer and developmental disabilities are still capable of many things, including finding other means of income than hard labor.

presumptious. I can afford the cash shop, but I'm not touching it as I have no desire to encourage it. If some people actually want to play the game to earn items - how does that affect you? You can still go to work for SE if you choose.

It doesn't, if they changed the system so that people could earn them through gameplay I honestly would not have a problem. None. Go for it. Bank 1000 hours toward whatever you like. I'm saying the system as it is now isn't as ridiculously restrictive as people think. You have options. If you're implying I'm a blind defender of SE or the practice you'd be incorrect. They make mistakes, I'm not a fan of what they've done with the app or with their last content release. Those are other threads though.

[MomomiMomi]

OK. You value your time how you want. Many people would rather spend hours grinding things they don't enjoy to get items for time instead of money. That's weird to me.

You're assuming I wouldn't enjoy what I'm doing to earn the items. I see no reason for glamours to not be tradeable. If I could trade for them, then I could do the content I enjoy most in the game, which is crafting and gathering, to my heart's content to earn the items. As the game currently stands, though, there is so little to spend gil on that I haven't put any effort into making gil for the past 3 years. The lack of things to buy in-game is hurting my enjoyment of the game very much.

[Krotoan]

You're assuming I wouldn't enjoy what I'm doing to earn the items. I see no reason for glamours to not be tradeable. If I could trade for them, then I could do the content I enjoy most in the game, which is crafting and gathering, to my heart's content to earn the items. As the game currently stands, though, there is so little to spend gil on that I haven't put any effort into making gil for the past 3 years. The lack of things to buy in-game is hurting my enjoyment of the game very much.

I'm stating there are a lot of people who asked for "ANY ALTERNATIVE" to paying real money. This includes the fate grinds people hate so much or possibly rep grinds or achievement hunting.
That sounds like a different problem then what the cash shop creates though. Yes I am assuming the cash shop items wouldn't exist without the cash shop but we've already visited that counterpoint. Gil being valuable however is an entirely different discussion than "are things too expensive in the shop". I've heard it lamented that "Gil is worthless".. but then seen the same people raise up arms because the new MB manipulations outside the game in the app will be "pay 2 win" because you can buy armor that affects ingame performance... which would mean gil has worth? I'd rather not spiral down that hill in here.

Either way, you're complaining about a lack of content in the main game. I don't personally feel we've been denied items in the main game just so they can be put in the cash shop and we've been given no information to imply the team was "stolen" for the cash shop and therefore crippling item development. It may be naive to think they're telling us the truth about such a controversial subject but I've seen no evidence that hasn't been put together by the conspiracy factions that points to anything other than interest in profits and finding the "easy money". You have a most valid complaint: I need more stuff to spend my ingame currency on! But I don't think it has anything to do with the cash shop.

[MomomiMomi]

I'm stating there are a lot of people who asked for "ANY ALTERNATIVE" to paying real money. This includes the fate grinds people hate so much or possibly rep grinds or achievement hunting.

That's why trade is so great. Don't like those things? Trade for the item instead.

My complaint may not have been created by the cash shop, but it could be solved by it. Many other games, including WoW, which this game clearly copied a lot from, allow you to trade things bought with real money to be traded in-game for in-game currency. This would make gil valuable again.

Of course, you have to pass the RMT aspect of it by the consumers, but considering everything they've gotten away with so far, I'm confident they could do it.

As for gil is worthless/gil has worth, they aren't actually mutually exclusive as it would appear at first glance. Gil has worth up to a certain point. Beyond that point, its worth plummets. Most people who are into the trade game are well beyond the point of worth, but the average player is not.

[Krotoan]

That's why trade is so great. Don't like those things? Trade for the item instead.

My complaint may not have been created by the cash shop, but it could be solved by it. Many other games, including WoW, which this game clearly copied a lot from, allow you to trade things bought with real money to be traded in-game for in-game currency. This would make gil valuable again.

Of course, you have to pass the RMT aspect of it by the consumers, but considering everything they've gotten away with so far, I'm confident they could do it.
As for gil is worthless/gil has worth, they aren't actually mutually exclusive as it would appear at first glance. Gil has worth up to a certain point. Beyond that point, its worth plummets. Most people who are into the trade game are well beyond the point of worth, but the average player is not.

I'm not personally against trading items purchased in the shop for ingame currency. I like watching people enjoy their toys and it'd open up the world for a lot of people. But I think the block there is that RMT possible link. It's not the consumers that are the only concern, we have the bots who will now have the chance to make even MORE money since Gil would be quite valuable to most people again and have a link to a real world cash item. Gil would have a set cash equivalent : so many fantasias or emotes. It would be a boon for the gil botters and I'd like to think that SE wouldn't cross that line.

I am not against people acquiring items with effort though. I would, however, like to remind people that there are other avenues to their goals. =]

The funny thing about the gil being worthless to trade game people is some of the loudest opponents of introducing a possible (even if it's insanity) p2w aspect were the crafter/mb people. They have quite the attachment to the amount of gil available.. even if it's "worthless".

I didn't think of it much, until the last Hildebrand quest came along, with zero rewards and cash shop items instead. That was just plain insulting.

Keep in mind though, every "exclusive" in the cash shop is an item we are being denied in-game.

Keep in mind that barring hypothetical alternate worlds and timelines we will never know, given all the information we have right now "exclusives" are items that would have never been made without the cash shop. There is an item that was made to be sold, you are not being denied it. It is not available through the game itself and never had plans to be. Limited our information on this may be, that is the current given truth. They could be lying, of course. You work on the assumption they are, I work on the assumption they are not. Hence my original statement.

[XiXiQ]

I don't personally feel we've been denied items in the main game just so they can be put in the cash shop

I didn't think of it much, until the last Hildebrand quest came along, with zero rewards and cash shop items instead. That was just plain insulting.

Keep in mind though, every "exclusive" in the cash shop is an item we are being denied in-game.

[Solarra]

Get your butts out there and make some money. The opportunity to get those items IS there, you just have to spend a little more effort in REAL life.

If you're on a fixed income and have budgeted for a video game but don't have enough to squirrel away a couple dollars a month til you have enough for the item, you probably can't really afford that video game either. You are one misfortune away from disaster. BTW people with cancer and developmental disabilities are still capable of many things, including finding other means of income than hard labor.

I really can't describe your attitude as anything but obnoxious and condescending. I have a friend waiting to hear if she needs a third operation for cancer this year, and you can be 100% sure I won't be waving my good health and superior earning power in her face or suggesting she starts looking for secondary employment, since she is unable to do her normal job.

Back to topic
You are assuming everyone arguing against the prices is either poor (oddly enough this is not seen as some sort of moral deficiency where I come from), unable to budget or both. The point of the thread was that the prices in the cash-shop are too high, and in some cases I have to agree; the price of some recent additions does seem pretty steep to me.
It's not that I can't pay, it's that I think the items are overpriced.