The premium app is what finally made me unsub.

[Divinemights]

Uh I bank 100% for free. Hell my Bank pays me any time I have to pay any kind of ATM fees.
Also on the same note you don't design something that only serves a portion of your player base while alienating the other portion.

Tell me which part of player base got alienated.
By not provide a service to take care the players that will often lost access to the game is the true alienation.
Premium service you get one extra kuponut, how is that an alienation?
Sorting inventory? How often you are sorting your inventory to begin with?

[Vrankyl]

Tell me which part of player base got alienated.
By not provide a service to take care the players that will often lost access to the game is the true alienation.
Premium service you get one extra kuponut, how is that an alienation?
Sorting inventory? How often you are sorting your inventory to begin with?

They are alienating anyone who can't justify yet another 5/month on top of their normal sub just to get a UI feature that should have been built into the game. I really could care less about the extra expanded saddlebags, or the additional retainers. Shifting your items between retainers should have been something included in the game itself with the normal sub not locked behind yet another sub.
And I actually manage my inventory quite often, at least once a day to make sure I'm not holding onto things I don't need, seeing as I only use the base 2 retainers that we get for free. Leveling crafters makes inventory space a premium thing that is hard to come by when you are constantly shifting the materials you need to get things done.
Hells I'm less upset about the premium feature as I am about the fact that they are also adding a micro transaction currency that they already have plans to expand upon, or have some people just conveniently skipped that line on the slides?

[Divinemights]

Blasphemy because, one person might get rich by selling something rare for an enormous amount, while some others that cant get that item could also possibly get rich for selling common items in bulk while hoarding as you said before saying you like to hoard...Aka in other words you can buy low resell higher like you said but that still can be broken stacks, no reasons selling 99 of something if ppl arnt willing to buy more than 10 at a times & so in that case,thats goes as taking several marketboard slots & then in the end, the more retainers you have, then the more slots you got open too, to me it feels like you are full of... because not everyone get the same chances & if you want to generally speak about economy, then ill say this, TIMING IS KEY

This is my original statement:

I bought extra Retainers for inventory space because I likes to horde weapon, tier gear, tome gear, and various glamour gear.
Retainer market board is secondary and often cost me much more time and effort to list items.
As you already made your mind, I wish you are good luck for your venture in other games.
Enough said, no need to beat on a dead horse since OP already made his mind, any further argument is pointless.

This is why I don't take you serious, cant even quote without twisting words.
The statement is purely explain to OP the main reason I am getting 7 retainers is for inventory purpose, not marketboard listing. and wish him good luck.
What you are trying to do here?
Twisting my words?

Selling ratio is low and purely random and you also admitted yourself, timing is the key.
So what makes you believed that number of retainers will matter when market demand decides everything?

[Deceptus]

Has it ever occurred to you they are judging based on prior experiences, be it with other companies or SE themselves. Bear in mind, SE attempted the whole "Augment Your Preorder" nonsense and only backed down when inundated with an overwhelming amount of backlash and a dislike ratio over 90% on their Youtube trailer. Basically, they stopped when people kept complaining hence why plenty are complaining now. .

For anyone who isn't familiar with what he's talking about

https://na.square-enix.com/us/node/6569

[TheGrimace]

Yes, keep arguing! Each post increases the chances of SE seeing our discontent and possibly acknowledging us. You're playing right into our hands. Bahahaha!

[Ruf]

I likes to horde weapon, tier gear, tome gear, and various glamour gear.

So after overhoarding things you didn't spiritbond to yourself & glamour, its impossible to change your mind & not want to use them anymore & then flip them by selling them on marketboard afterward? Right I forgot, everything that ppl hoard is market prohibited.

timing is the key.
So what makes you believed that number of retainers will matter when market demand decides everything?

If you can handle the timing & you know what you are doing, a farmer can milk a cow dry... In other words, the more cows you own, the more milk "just theory" but my point is if you empty all your retainer, you got more supply power than I do & so yes you are full of it.

[Melichoir]

Consider WoW armory don'tt give you the function to manage your inventory or sell item on AH as an free ap.
This in-development app is revolutionary and bring accessibility to gamers, if they can make it works

A quick consideration I had is that while some are harping on it making some users p2w by better managing the market board, there is something of note that isnt addressed. P2W models are almost always self serving. That is to say if I buy a powerup that gives me better stats than a free user, that power up is going to snowball ME to be even stronger longterm. If people have teh ability to manage their retainer inventories and put stuff up on teh MB and then price modify at will (should they pay), the likely hood is that people will UNDERCUT other people. This means, broadly, that overtime, MB prices should drop a bit as people attempt to UC each other. Thats beneficial to the average MB buyer.Furthermore, it still requires you to be logged in to do stuff. You cant sell things that youre retainer doesnt have. So you want to sell mats? Ok. Youre gonna have to log in and farm them and then give them to your retainer.

Also, not sure on this, but did they say if you could assign retainer missions or not? If not, than the supposed advantage almost becomes negligible. Its essentially using a micro transaction to UC other players for gil profit, which benefits the player base semi directly by driving down costs (albeit slightly probably) in a competitive bid on items.

[Divinemights]

So after overhoarding things you didn't spirinbond to yourself, its impossible to change your mind & not want to use them anymore & then flip them by selling them on marketboard afterward? Right I forgot ever everything that ppl hoard is market prohibited.

How am I going to be able to sell Raid Weapon, tier gear, tome gear, and various soulbound glamour gears?
Please do educate me.
Oh my god, I am so want to know how to sell these rare/ex gear.

[Deceptus]

How am I going to be able to sell Raid Weapon, tier gear, tome gear, and various soulbound glamour gears?
Please do educate me.
Oh my god, I am so want to know how to sell these rare/ex gear.

Go to the PF, there are run sellers all the time there. . . Don't act like they don't exist.

They've been in the game since Titan HM was a gate for the original Relic.

[Divinemights]

Go to the PF, there's run sellers all the time there. . . Don't act like they don't exist.

He is specifically saying those rare/ex and glamour items already in my retainer inventory tho.
Did you pay attention to that?
You may want to read whole thing first.

oh my bad, i should be more specific, i use world glamour items because they are bound already.