The premium app is what finally made me unsub.

[Divinemights]

I think theyre going about the app all wrong for what it should be. Its not p2w though.

It should be free. Having the app should give you the ability to manage your acc, and allow you to recruit another retainer or more saddlebag space from your account. The app allows item management between retainers. It should allow people to play Trip Triad or their toybox games, or chat in FC chat or wtih friends. What you have access to should be determined by waht you do in game, to some extent. That would be a pretty nice app.

But as I said, its not p2w based on what they have.

Consider WoW armory don'tt give you the function to manage your inventory or sell item on AH as an free ap.
This in-development app is revolutionary and bring accessibility to gamers, if they can make it works

[Aerlana]

Consider WoW armory don'tt give you the function to manage your inventory or sell item on AH as an free ap.
This in-development app is revolutionary and bring accessibility to gamers, if they can make it works

WoW's app did have auction house until Wendsday, so during some years.

but yes, revolutionnary probably, SE are unknown genius...

[ManuelBravo]

What is the limit of "optional" content to you? Everyone have different limits for it. When "optional" content is able to optionaly pay more to receive more, it is still optional, but is it right? Is it right to be able to purchase 35$ of Sub and earn more space, more gil, more mats, more marcket power, housing economic control where everyone should be equal as it is a subscription MMO, known for to not bother with cash shop advantages to who pay more? What it will be in the future? SURELY not less than what we are suffering.

For me when my gaming budget reaches a certain limit or it goes more than a week without being used ( retainer wise ). When it affect my responsibilities in RL and have to make a choice, or when a company is doing something unethical that clashes with my values. Future wise I don't really worry never really struggled some options they offer are useless from my perspective.

Example;

Jump potions, was to please people for not being able to play with their friends. Complete waste of money if it can be obtain in normal subscription why pay same with Dye's., same for some glamour gear completely useless.

Emotes Kai Arts Odin / Shiva as an example; Emotes are just a plus I love the art, and get 2 sets one for my personal use one for collectors. , Unless people are hardcore RP and really want emotes they don't really matter. It's all based on what needs they have.

Mounts, minions, older event stuff; Never worried did events kind of useless to pay for them. Books, Music, their nice as a bonus.

Surely a person suffers based on their greed or needs. How they approach them is up to each individual. If people keep complaining and give some incentive yes it may have no limit. Hence logically stand the same point....it's up to us to decide that.

[ManuelBravo]

Has it ever occurred to you they are judging based on prior experiences, be it with other companies or SE themselves. Bear in mind, SE attempted the whole "Augment Your Preorder" nonsense and only backed down when inundated with an overwhelming amount of backlash and a dislike ratio over 90% on their Youtube trailer. Basically, they stopped when people kept complaining hence why plenty are complaining now. Then you look at EA or Activision and it makes sense why people "judge" ahead of time. SE can thank the game industry it's apart of for the negative reception to micro-transactions. If they want good PR... look to Naughty Dog and CD Projekt Red, who haven't tried to nickel and dime their customers. It's almost like people don't like that.

Companies hide behind the "Optional content" excuse hoping people won't notice them double dipping. EA did it with lootboxes, which were technically optional. That doesn't mean people have to like it.

Yes it has, it has also occurred to me that based on prior experiences people don't get simple things. As per past experiences I have always come to two conclusions based on the points I read online, forums, and my personal perspective based on Live letters / patch notes..and wait until I have hands first experience on it..

To add to that note; First this game is repetitive based on the way it was created. Feed back is implemented different and by various ways that does not sit well with a certain percentage of players. SE acts based on the bigger percentage being affected at a faster rate, therefor we as consumers hold to an extend. Therefor people who judge ahead of time based on ideas and not actual implementations for a minimum of a months tend to jump the gun. Which leaves the ball in the consumers court.

1. is this really something that will effect my need? IF so I decide how I contribute.

or

2. Pay more money really? this is unfair. So what can I do? trow a tantrum over things that I don't really need or do need but refuse to participate with providing financial support, or be hypocrite and know that I will find a way later on.

These choices have one thing in common in this industry that you see as micro transactions. It's a choice, the reality is that most of the percentage of accounts are for it. The only way this can change is if everyone one completely decides to boycott the application. Will it happen? No.

[Vstarstruck]

I think theyre going about the app all wrong for what it should be. Its not p2w though.

It should be free. Having the app should give you the ability to manage your acc, and allow you to recruit another retainer or more saddlebag space from your account. The app allows item management between retainers. It should allow people to play Trip Triad or their toybox games, or chat in FC chat or wtih friends. What you have access to should be determined by waht you do in game, to some extent. That would be a pretty nice app.

But as I said, its not p2w based on what they have.

Do you like, not understand what P2W means? P2W means buying an advantage with RL money, retainers are PtW, the app makes them more so when you are paying even more money each time you want to undercut someone. Just because it only relates to the market boards for direct advantage ( and by extent free mats with ventures) does not change the fact it is PTW, you only think it is not because all you care about is battle content. Do you know how the MB works? Most sales that pass it come from the first being listed, even if it means costing more then then ext one due to tax, people do not pay attention.

You can't just sit here and go "its not P2W" without stating a reason, when it factually is. You just do not want to view SE giving P2W elements in their game.

Consider WoW armory don'tt give you the function to manage your inventory or sell item on AH as an free ap.
This in-development app is revolutionary and bring accessibility to gamers, if they can make it works

YO CANT sell items for free! it is a microtransaction!!!

BUYING is free, once per day only
If they change this one of 2 things can thank, these threads and posts and or SE's translation team being poor.

[Ruf]

Huh...you do know what the number one rule of a business is right? this is not a charity type of business in case people have not noticed. SE has added to existing member basic content with their patches just not enough for people to be satisfied to an extend.

It's not a matter of morality, they do their part and while many may not agree it's up to us the consumer who are using a service they provided based on their terms. We don't have to play it / use what ever options they give us. IF F2P games are so great why are people comparing it to a game that is not a F2P to begin with? Just silently quit and go play something else. We the poor souls that enjoy this game and don't mind paying for things that we choose to do will waste our funds to help enhance a need that we have and SE is meeting based on their business model.

I'm really sick of reading that type of comments from you.This talk right there you are doing of the business model is really not good imo & 15years ago final fantasy was not like this, I return the comment that you said "Just quit & go play something else" I do not desire se to take the route its taking right now & go along 2018 shitty cash shop influence "business model" as you claim so. I couldn't keep myself shut about your rude comments anymore MBravo, you saying good riddance to others is just plain rude & in the end... I wish... u...

[ManuelBravo]

I'm really sick of reading that type of comments from you.

Then don't read them. It's your choice to do so. It would help to understand why you hate it rather than give a vague response,

I'm really sick of reading that type of comments from you.This talk right there you are doing of the business model is really not good imo & 15years ago final fantasy was not like this, I return the comment that you said "Just quit & go play something else" I do not desire se to take the route its taking right now & go along 2018 shitty cash shop influence "business model" as you claim so. I couldn't keep myself shut about your rude comments anymore MBravo, you saying good riddance to others is just plain rude & in the end... I wish... u...

ah just saw your update. Look I don't sugar coat things and these threads just keep appearing. Sorry if they clash with you on a emotional level and as I had explained in other threads they are not meant to be offensive. I'm a logical person and being straight forward with a person is an act of respect. Therefor thank your for your reasons I will take it with an open mind and never take it personal being that I accept your perspective.

[Ruf]

Only the people ignored the fundamental law of supply and demand will claim Retainers is pay to win.

Blasphemy because, one person might get rich by selling something rare for an enormous amount, while some others that cant get that item could also possibly get rich for selling common items in bulk while hoarding as you said before...

I bought extra Retainers for inventory space because I likes to horde

Aka in other words you can buy low/resell higher but that still can be broken stacks, no reasons selling 99 of something if ppl arnt willing to buy more than 10 at a times & so in that case,that goes as taking several marketboard slots & then in the end, the more retainers you have, then the more slots you got open too, to me it feels like you are full of... because not everyone get the same chances & if you want to generally speak about economy, then ill say this, TIMING IS KEY

[Divinemights]

YO CANT sell items for free! it is a microtransaction!!!

BUYING is free, once per day only
If they change this one of 2 things can thank, these threads and posts and or SE's translation team being poor.

You don't bank for free in North America either, do you pitchfork your bank too?
Keep making hyperbole claim and you don't even take into account the sell rate of items on market board is low.
At the best, 1/3 of items you list will be sold, 1/2 if you are lucky.
The chance and need to use kuponut for transaction is low to begin with.
This service is clearly design for people who often will not be access to the game for a period of time (out of town for work), in which it is quite often occurrence for Japanese (and Asian).
Over exaggerating is over exaggerating.

ps. Aisan banks paying their client interest so they deposit money to their bank (there is no such thing as service charge or monthly fee), but North American bank nick and dime their client on everything, do you want to pitchfork that?

[Vrankyl]

You don't bank for free in North America either, do you pitchfork your bank too?
Keep making hyperbole claim and you don't even take into account the sell rate of items on market board is low.
At the best, 1/3 of items you list will be sold, 1/2 if you are lucky.
The chance and need to use kuponut for transaction is low to begin with.
This service is clearly design for people who often will not be access to the game for a period of time (out of town for work), in which it is quite often occurrence for Japanese (and Asian).
Over exaggerating is over exaggerating.

ps. Aisan banks paying their client interest so they deposit money to their bank (there is no such thing as service charge or monthly fee), but North American bank nick and dime their client on everything, do you want to pitchfork that?

Uh I bank 100% for free. Hell my Bank pays me any time I have to pay any kind of ATM fees.
Also on the same note you don't design something that only serves a portion of your player base while alienating the other portion.