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    Quote Originally Posted by Rufalus View Post
    It's not pay-to-win if you can't buy some kind of battle booster that makes you stronger or receive less damage or something.
    So you have a narrow scope what defines pay to win.
    You do not see an advantage someone has when they have 8 chrs with 10 retainers each vs 8 chrs 2 retainers each? It is a huge difference and a huge advantage, that is how you define pay to win. paying real money for anadvantage. Then this goes even further, where this market is based on undercut spamming, and now it lets people undercut spam on the go. I had to listen someone complain about how they price changed an item for every split second for 1 hour, now what would happen if someone was on the go paying tons of money to compete with those 2? Or do you not realize how often sometimes price changes happens?

    Also you talk about stress on the servers, what about stress some people have to deal with, with bad inventory UI(combination of chobobo bag, retainers, personal inventory, and all the time it takes to keep pulling up menus?

    You are right, I will not be able post here in 13 days from now. I refuse to support this blantant rip off to the players. Pushing items from retainer to retainer should come with the basic game. If you are so worried about server costs, how do f2p games stay aflot? This is a f2p model while giving us a sub cost on top of it. Nothing will convince me they have that much server stress unless they are trying to pass down costs of their poor workarounds from bad 1.0 coding. If the 1.0 coding and the core of this game is THAT bad, recode it, or shut the game down to make a brand new game. Just because I am not paying for the game no more, does not stop me from sharing my views how I think they are taking too much advantage of people that don't think about things deeply or simply don't care they are getting a fair value.

    No I disagree they should have any kind of server stress that needs 33 dollars per person per month. You know how mad this made me? I got 5 hours of sleep and I couldn't go back to sleep after my SO told me (who knew id flip over this) ended up being right, scary tbh... This is really a new low, locking a basic feature behind added sub on a sub model game. Sorry being able to move items from retainer to retainer is basic sub cost, not premium.

    I'd like this quote to be remembered:
    Quote Originally Posted by Mikki View Post
    Indeed that's exactly the problem. These kind of "products" are made with little effort and only need to be produced once and can be replicated indefinitely basically for free for the company, making millions of dollars at virtually no cost in comparison. I'm not at all surprised that a company will do these things. If we as individuals could make money in such a manner...wouldn't we do that as well? The answer is, probably. Yeah. If we could get away with it and didn't care about others. But there is a famous saying, you know? "A fool and their money are easily parted". It becomes this thought process of, "If someone is stupid enough to spend their money on that, then who are we to judge?" and this line of thinking becomes the defense for doing these practices in the first place. But it's a terrible practice. It's basically saying "I don't care about the people who are supporting me, I only want to see how much money I can make out of them".

    But here's the thing; you can't necessarily fault a company for doing this. After all, as I just said above... most people would do this if they could get away with it. That's why it's so dangerous to have people defending this kind of practice. I have absolutely no qualms with SE trying to make money - or any company, for that matter. But I want them to EARN that money from my pocket. If you are going to make me pay for something extra outside of my sub fees, then first of all I want to see that you actually put effort into it, none of this low effort BS we're seeing with this app. But secondly, I want to see that my money that I am spending extra on your MMO is actually going back into that MMO to improve it. I'm not seeing that with FFXIV as much as it pains me to say. I mean, even the forums. I can't post this without being cut off from a word limit that means nothing since you can just edit a post anyway. And the game itself....don't even get me started on all the issues.

    And the worst part is, the way companies that DO get away with it manage to do so is, as you pretty much mentioned, by making it "optional". But absolutely every little thing that is not directly tied to the main story questline is "optional" if you want to push it that way. Do you want to level everything on one character? Well, honestly that's optional. You can just make a new character. What if they made you have to pay to unlock additional jobs? Do you want access to glamour at all? Optional. Want to pay for that too? There are so many things in this game that are "optional", it becomes a very dangerous and slippery slope to just say "well, it's optional so it's fine that they charge us extra for it", especially when not only are some of the things ridiculously overpriced, but also MONTHLY. Although I think we should be given additional space for free due to the item bloat of this game, I would honestly be happy if I could just buy an additional retainer for a flat $20, one time. I honestly don't even buy the bullshit excuse of "they need the money to pay for the server space for your extra storage" because if you fail to pay for your retainer, you lose the retainer...but when you get them back all of your stuff remains. Which means, regardless of if you are actively paying or not, they are storing that data.
    Quote Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth View Post
    They cannot easily add more personal inventory space, I believe they have gone over the specifics of this in the past, yet people ignore that and use the retainers as a reason why they are "lying"
    It is made up excuses, because if that was true they would not be giving us so much item bloat, that is why I believe they are lying, on top of the fact oh they can add magically more when increasing our sub cost.

    Please look at the bold, all you are attempting to achieve is making this game lousy for the rest of us.

    Quote Originally Posted by MilanFrozen View Post
    What does that have to do with you defending terrible systems under the veil that 'It's not as bad as people make it out to be' when it is. Literally offering things to the players such as more inventory space for a price and then turning around and saying 'we can't give more inventory space due to limitations of the game' literally, LITERALLY lying to the playerbase.
    Nothing, your replying to a white knight.
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    Last edited by Vstarstruck; 04-15-2018 at 02:41 PM.