please consider ending the mentor system

[Kerwin]

But don't say people are ignorant because you want to save time.

That's not what I said. Don't put words into my mouth. You are taking two things out of context.

[PerrinTaveren]

That's not what I said. Don't put words into my mouth. You are taking two things out of context.

You said people are ignorant for asking the system to be removed. Then you explained how ignorant they are by giving an example, then you said you'd save time by just leaving. I thought they are related, i am sorry if i misunderstood. Not here for arguing, just thinking if someone is complaining, there is usually an error in both sides. They need to learn to listen if a mentor giving them advice, and mentors need to be respectful and kind and explain what they can do. I really doubt people queueing ex primals in df knows what pf is tbh. It comes to the mentors to explain things instead of just leaving imo.

[Kerwin]

It comes to the mentors to explain things instead of just leaving imo.

Can't explain anything when the keyboardless noob tank pulls instantly every time.

You are right. You misunderstood.

[Vstarstruck]

You said people are ignorant for asking the system to be removed. Then you explained how ignorant they are by giving an example, then you said you'd save time by just leaving. I thought they are related, i am sorry if i misunderstood. Not here for arguing, just thinking if someone is complaining, there is usually an error in both sides. They need to learn to listen if a mentor giving them advice, and mentors need to be respectful and kind and explain what they can do. I really doubt people queueing ex primals in df knows what pf is tbh. It comes to the mentors to explain things instead of just leaving imo.

Let me explain a bit more what they most likely mean.

First off ignorant means : lacking knowledge or awareness in general; uneducated or unsophisticated
So saying someone wants the mentor chat removed because of such things is fitting, if you explained how you did not know this or that because it is your first MMO. Wouldn't you agree such a term fits your situation? esp when it leads to the second part:
"while the noob tank runs in and instant pulls again when they restart and without reading a mentors wall-of-text."
So what they are getting at, people really have no right to complain on the mentor system when the person does not know what to do, wipes, then pulls again before anyone can say anything. This is where the idea starts "If the person is not going to bother listening, then best to abandon"

Once I entered moogle extreme by mistake and it popped. (new player message) and I believe the mentor was trying to explain what to do as people watched cs/ loaded in. Before the "noob insta pull" she said something on the lines of "tanks need to tank swamp here, it will wipe if you do not do that. Do you know how to tank swamp and what that means?" (this was asked just before the noob insta pull) Even with that she did try to explain tank swamping idea during the CS duration. She wanted to make sure the new person understood what she was talking about.

The insta pull noob tank does not answer and pulls, also does not bother to try tank swamp at all even though the mentor one was requesting for it during the fight and noticed noob tank not moving. Ofc it was a wipe and she started to question why the noob tank felt the need to insta pull if they did not understand the mentor tank. The noob tank resorted to this:

Then everyone just left after.

[Vstarstruck]

For the OP's first concern... perhaps the severity of abandoning a duty needs to be increased for Mentor Roulette. Right now it's a 30 minute penalty for abandoning inthe first 10 minutes. I'd like to consider a 3 hour penalty for abandoning in the first 45 minutes. These rules would be exclusive to Mentors doing Mentor roulette, but the if a Mentor is penalized then the penalty applies to all forms of duties (other roulettes, dungeons, trials, etc.).

No, no dungeon should be taking more then 30 mins, you are asking for trouble with that kind of proposal. Why do you want to encourage people to harass mentors?

it takes 10 mins to kick someone, this is too long for trials, I seen what it is like when people troll them, it sucks.
I love entering groups that are preformed with the intent to troll, with your change they will have a greater field day, just no:

Let me explain a bit more what they most likely mean.

First off ignorant means : lacking knowledge or awareness in general; uneducated or unsophisticated
So saying someone wants the mentor chat removed because of such things is fitting, if you explained how you did not know this or that because it is your first MMO. Wouldn't you agree such a term fits your situation? esp when it leads to the second part:
"while the noob tank runs in and instant pulls again when they restart and without reading a mentors wall-of-text."
So what they are getting at, people really have no right to complain on the mentor system when the person does not know what to do, wipes, then pulls again before anyone can say anything. This is where the idea starts "If the person is not going to bother listening, then best to abandon"

Once I entered moogle extreme by mistake and it popped. (new player message) and I believe the mentor was trying to explain what to do as people watched cs/ loaded in. Before the "noob insta pull" she said something on the lines of "tanks need to tank swamp here, it will wipe if you do not do that. Do you know how to tank swamp and what that means?" (this was asked just before the noob insta pull) Even with that she did try to explain tank swamping idea during the CS duration. She wanted to make sure the new person understood what she was talking about.

The insta pull noob tank does not answer and pulls, also does not bother to try tank swamp at all even though the mentor one was requesting for it during the fight and noticed noob tank not moving. Ofc it was a wipe and she started to question why the noob tank felt the need to insta pull if they did not understand the mentor tank. The noob tank resorted to this:

Then everyone just left after.

How do you put in a 3 hour penalty for people that harass mentors?

[Ilyrian]

Tank swamp? Maybe I'm missing the joke here?

[Vstarstruck]

Tank swamp? Maybe I'm missing the joke here?

lol.. guess you don't know how moogle extreme works at 50, its not a joke.

if you do not do it, you wipe, no ifs ands and butts
https://youtu.be/h7N5XIFsJv4

[Ilyrian]

lol.. guess you don't know how moogle extreme works at 50, its not a joke.

if you do not do it, you wipe, no ifs ands and butts

Swap. Tank swap