please consider ending the mentor system

[Solarra]

I attained mentor status back in 3.X from my Gatherers and Crafters being at 60, I didn't hit 1,000 dungeons until the third week of Stormblood. Many of the impatient mentors you see are often those who gained it simply by crafting and gathering, and often times... just want the achievement without putting in effort. Unfortunately this leads to player who shouldn't be mentors, being eligible, as DoH/L requirements make attaining the status far easier than meeting the DoW/DoM requirements as leveling a crafter/gatherer takes less time by comparison. The whole system needs to be revamped from the ground up.

As another Tradecraft Mentor, I think you've made a lot of really unfair generalisations about us. Levelling crafters takes plenty of effort unless you buy your leve turn ins, and even then you have to make all the scrip turn-ins yourself. So the idea we all got there with no effort is certainly untrue.
Also, you do realise that the requirements for Mentor Roulette are the same for everyone, if you haven't done all the required instances you cannot take part; there is no way for people to sneak their way in.

Having said that, I do think it's crazy that a Trade Mentor can put on the PVE mentor flag even if they don't meet the requirements and that PVE mentors can flag themselves as experts in PVP or DOH/L if they wish. I feel the crown should be specific and you should only be able to wear the ones you've earned.
I also agree with posters who've suggested changing the crown to something less prestigious like a watering can.

Personally, I'd like to see the system tightened up rather than removed. A lot of people are just in it for the mount, and that's something we'll have to live with. I do wish there was some way of removing mentors who troll groups or otherwise break the ToS, though.
When you sign up as a mentor you agree to help others and to be courteous, but there doesn't seem to be any mechanism for removing those mentors who not only don't want to help other people but actively go out of their way to spoil their experience.

[PerrinTaveren]

PvE mentor: A person who knows fundamentals of how to heal, tank and dps. A person who can help with basics of each role. A person who can explain which roles should prioritize more. A person who can help with how to level PvE jobs, how to unlock jobs, and any PvE related content.

PvP mentor: A person who can explain how pvp works in the game, what maps and mods there are. A person who can give tips about pvp and can help with various pvp mods the game currently has. Like how to play frontlines or feast and what to prioritize.

DoL & DoH mentor: A person who can introduce what those are, how to unlock dol & doh. A person who can explain what collectables are, how to do collectables, rotations for crafting and gathering at the basic level, what is quality and how to craft & gather efficiently. A person who can explain ephemeral nodes, timed nodes, desynthesis and aetherial reduction. A person who explains about regional folklore and master recipes and how to get them.

Non-specified mentors: Those who has knowledge about PvE & PvP & DoL & DoH mentor at the basic level and help with all of them.

I will repeat myself, but i will do it regardless. First of all, people (most of them) who are mentors play the game, because it is a game. It should be fun. No one has any WHATSOEVER obligation to help anyone. Even you wear the majestic crown. I can have a bad day, i can feel sick or simply i may not feel like helping. I don't deserve to burn at the stick. I can't worry because i forgot to take off my crown because i am not in the mood of helping that day or just because i like the crown. That crown is a feature in the game, if you meet the requirements you can wear the crown even if you are closed to helping people. It is a game, you are allowed to play the way you want as long as no harm is being done to anyone. Secondly, mentors aren't gods (i accept some people can be cocky). But those people will always be that way even without being a mentor, that crown may boost their ego a bit but still people don't change by wearing a crown. Mentors are regular players who meet the requirements to help new players about the things i wrote above. They MAY give advices about the BASICS of the various gameplay features, but this doesn't mean they are top notch players. You can't expect them to give lv70 job rotations or savage tips or lv70 crafting & gathering tips to a player. Being lv70 is supposed to meant, you know the basics of the game. (Talking about for example being lv70 crafter or gatherer or DoW & DoM). If you are a lv70 crafter, you can't demand a crafter mentor to answer your questions. Sorry but, find your answers yourself at that point if you keep insisting mentors should help ANYONE in the game. Mentors have life too, they have a right to reject people if they are being unreasonable and they have no obligation to help. Everyone should play the game as they enjoy. Sometimes i help, sometimes i don't. It doesn't mean i am a bad mentor, it means i am probably tired or i see some buggy feeling about the person i don't help. Because simply, most of the time, people aren't open to get advices. ''you don't pay my sub, you egomaniac mentor'' etc. is the common response i get when i try to give advice most of the time, if the person isn't a sprout.

Anyways, i just think system is oki. People expect way too much of mentors. Mentors can be bad players too, you only need 1 dps 1 healer 1 tank so you are allowed to mess up your other dps rotations or kill tank because you are not accustomed to other healing job, or simply lose aggro because you are not comfortable being a tank. This is a game, and you are playing with other people. People have rights to be sad, angry, tired, sleepy, sick etc.

Again, mentors are players who are not new to the game. Nothing more in my opinion.

[Solarra]

No one has any WHATSOEVER obligation to help anyone. Even you wear the majestic crown. I can have a bad day, i can feel sick or simply i may not feel like helping. I don't deserve to burn at the stick. I can't worry because i forgot to take off my crown because i am not in the mood of helping that day or just because i like the crown.

If you agree to be a mentor you also agree to help new players, invite them to the Novice network, answer their queries and provide a good example through your behaviour and interactions. It's there in writing when you talk to the Smith.

You are obligated. The crown is not supposed to be some pretty icon you can wear without bothering to do any of the stuff you agreed to. The mount is supposed to be a reward for helping, not just something to show you are a veteran player. However, since there is no penalty for not fulfilling your obligations, people like you can ignore them. That's the problem with the system as it is, people who abuse the mentor system go unpunished.

I'm sorry, but if you are having a bad day, don't want to help etc. then there's no excuse for running around with the mentor crown on. It's meant to show new players they can turn to you for help. Stop giving the rest of us the reputation of being lazy, unhelpful, etc. and just toggle it off.

[BillyKaplan]

You are obligated.

Not to the extent you make it out to be, no. We're still human, and unpaid volunteers at that. So long as they're not rude about it, it's all good, given that we're still within the example brought up where this is an occasional thing and not their modus operandi. Or should we also start penalizing mentors who legit don't know the answer to something? I'm not helping then, either, haven't I failed my obligations?

Stop giving the rest of us the reputation of being lazy, unhelpful, etc. and just toggle it off.

It's a game. It's meant to help people destress and have fun. Even the Mentor system shouldn't be exempt from that. Or have you never forgotten to do something that's ultimately minor when you weren't at your best?

Where's that "if it's not fun we're doing it wrong" screenshot? Yikes.

[PerrinTaveren]

I love helping others. And i agree if you are wearing the crown, you are supposed to help. But i can't think like every second if i should toggle off the crown or not because i don't feel like helping. I NEVER saw a person asking me for advice. When i see something off, usually if a person is a sprout i point it out. Like yesterday there was a lv20 thm and didn't know what he was doing and i pointed out how he should be playing thm, and he improvised really good through the dungeon after i said that. I am not saying people shouldn't help, i am just saying you have a right to remain silent and say nothing. Because people can backlash really disrespectfully too. I usually prefer saying nothing to avoid drama unless the person is really making serious mistakes.

And that's the attitude i don't approve. This is a game. I play this to relieve stress out of life and work. I LOVE HELPING PEOPLE but i can't toggle off the crown every second i feel depressed or sad or angry. If a person asks something i always answer if i can, but again this is a game. Stop taking it too seriously. It is not a part-time job being a mentor. You have a right not to help sometimes and wear it for glamour. And you have the right to not agree with me, but that's my opinion.

[Kerwin]

Ignorant people would ask to abolish the system.

The same ignorant people who choose to hinder a group during a extreme primal synced battle because they don't look up realitive information to a 5+ year old fight.

Idc. You are the one who looks bad lying dead on the ground asking "What happend?", while the noob tank runs in and instant pulls again when they restart and without reading a mentors wall-of-text.

You god damn right I'm going to leave and eat a 30 minute penalty. Saves me time in the long run.

[PerrinTaveren]

Ignorant people would ask to abolish the system.

The same ignorant people who choose to hinder a group during a extreme primal synced battle because they don't look up realitive information to a 5+ year old fight.
Idc. You are the one who looks bad lying dead on the ground asking "What happend?", while the noob tank runs in and instant pulls again when they restart and without reading a mentors wall-of-text.

You god damn right I'm going to leave and eat a 30 minute penalty. Saves me time in the long run.

I was the noobest noob when i first started this game. It was my first mmo. I was a tank, who didn't know what a tank was. I didn't know what party finder was, what unsync battles mean. What extreme fights are and how difficult they are. A person saying he is experiencing bad stuff with mentors and asks to remove the system doesn't make him or her ignorant. It is because of your kind of people probably they ask to abolish this system. I didn't know there were guides on youtube for example for extreme fights. If you are gonna abandon and get out of the fight, at least inform players they can unsync a 5+ year old fight now. Say pf allows khloe runs. Say there are guides and if they wanna experience the fight they can still sync run it in pf. Say you can help them in pf unsync. Pf is cross-server now. They can probably join i assume? And the system isn't about you saving time, it is not supposed to be about you. It is about people helping newbies. You can improve yourself as mentor if you want always and help people. But don't say people are ignorant because you want to save time.

[Kerwin]

But don't say people are ignorant because you want to save time.

That's not what I said. Don't put words into my mouth. You are taking two things out of context.

[Maero]

I also hear from countless people about how rude some mentors are, myself i have been far more helpful on some runs then "mentors".
The issue (or at least one of) is they made it too simple to become a mentor, they really should have added specific tasks per say

[PerrinTaveren]

That's not what I said. Don't put words into my mouth. You are taking two things out of context.

You said people are ignorant for asking the system to be removed. Then you explained how ignorant they are by giving an example, then you said you'd save time by just leaving. I thought they are related, i am sorry if i misunderstood. Not here for arguing, just thinking if someone is complaining, there is usually an error in both sides. They need to learn to listen if a mentor giving them advice, and mentors need to be respectful and kind and explain what they can do. I really doubt people queueing ex primals in df knows what pf is tbh. It comes to the mentors to explain things instead of just leaving imo.