A "Good Community" doesn't excuse content from being unfun

[Tanathya]

All I can take out of these threads is that those who enjoy Eureka take them personally and so they get highly defensive.

[Berethos]

All I can take out of these threads is that those who enjoy Eureka take them personally and so they get highly defensive.

Not surprising when the side that doesn't like it usually doesn't stop at "I don't like it" and jumps right into "This content is bad and terrible and why would anyone like it/defend it" mode, as seems to be the case more often than not (since you're generalizing, I thought I go ahead and do it too).

[Aronys]

Not surprising when the side that doesn't like it usually doesn't stop at "I don't like it" and jumps right into "This content is bad and terrible and why would anyone like it/defend it" mode, as seems to be the case more often than not.

I think you missed all of those initial posts that started with suggestions on how to improve it before the holy defenders came in and started telling everyone who doesn't like it to stop playing MMOs.

[Berethos]

I think you missed all of those initial posts that started with suggestions on how to improve it before the holy defenders came in and started telling everyone who doesn't like it to stop playing MMOs.

I think you replied too quickly, as my edit included crucial context for the tone of my post.

That being said - day freaking one, only a couple hours after Eureka launched, among the first posts I was reading (I was at work and so obviously couldn't play, but it was a slow day so I could keep up with threads and discussions) were "This is it? This sucks" and "Eureka is dead on arrival" which was then followed by posts and suggestions about how to improve it once players started figuring out how it actually works, then came the white knights in response to both valid and asinine criticisms.

So no, I didn't miss the initial posts that started with suggestions, because those weren't the initial posts.

[Tanathya]

Not surprising when the side that doesn't like it usually doesn't stop at "I don't like it" and jumps right into "This content is bad and terrible and why would anyone like it/defend it" mode, as seems to be the case more often than not (since you're generalizing, I thought I go ahead and do it too).

I mean, I'm obviously generalizing, not going to go case by case, but yeah, just look at the general response from those who defend the content. In fact, look at your very own answer. I don't know, it's pretty clear to me.

[Berethos]

I mean, I'm obviously generalizing, not going to go case by case, but yeah, just look at the general response from those who defend the content. In fact, look at your very own answer. I don't know, it's pretty clear to me.

You mean the answer where I haven't defended or critiqued Eureka at all, just generalized about posting patterns and pointed out an inaccurate assessment of the general content of the initial posts?

I make a terrible white knight if this is how I'm rushing into defend the content.

[MageBlack]

All I can take out of these threads is that those who enjoy Eureka take them personally and so they get highly defensive.

No, for the first time since PotD do we have the groundwork for something new and interesting. Then the forums do what they usually do, complain until its dumbed down to be the same as everything else we have. Since the Vishap nerf its been one concession after another that homogenizes this game for the lowest common denominator. If anything SE needs to make leveling longer and deal with the NM train in Eureka, not add quests, hunting logs, and take away the level requirement for teleports and mounts.

[Tanathya]

No, for the first time since PotD do we have the groundwork for something new and interesting. Then the forums do what they usually do, complain until its dumbed down to be the same as everything else we have. Since the Vishap nerf its been one concession after another that homogenizes this game for the lowest common denominator. If anything SE needs to make leveling longer and deal with the NM train in Eureka, not add quests, hunting logs, and take away the level requirement for teleports and mounts.

I don't think anyone's asking for a nerf. In fact, if it was for me, I'd make everything (significantly) harder. Nerfs started way before Steps of Faith, but that has absolutely nothing to do with what people are complaining about Eureka. Actually, Eureka itself is dumbed down from the very beginning, one of the main problems with it. Community saw potential to improve what was the first Diadem, we saw the second Diadem thinking it'd be better, and it was yet another disappointment. This is basically the same, but everything's said and done in that respect.

You mean the answer where I haven't defended or critiqued Eureka at all?

I meant your answer where you got all defensive, such as this one. Anyway, I never said I was one of the people who didn't like Eureka in that other post, and you still took it as such.

[Berethos]

I meant your answer where you got all defensive, such as this one. Anyway, I never said I was one of the people who didn't like Eureka in that other post, and you still took it as such.

Today I learned that correcting a misinterpretation of my post (that I was one defending something, when I never actually had) is being defensive. Who knew?

Also, I'd read my response again - I never accused you of being one that liked or disliked the content. I just posted a generalization about how those who do criticize Eureka tend to do so - if you felt that included you, then that's your own interpretation.

All I said you were doing was generalizing behavior, and so cheekily did the same.

[Tanathya]

Today I learned that correcting a misinterpretation of my post (that I was one defending something, when I never actually had) is being defensive. Who knew?

Also, I'd read my response again - I never accused you of being one that liked or disliked the content. I just posted a generalization about how those who do criticize Eureka tend to do so - if you felt that included you, then that's your own interpretation.

Alright, /thumbsup.