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    Quote Originally Posted by Kallera View Post
    Do you really want everyone and their mother kiting mobs around to avoid damage? It'd kill any notion of tanks in a pt.
    Having archer being able to Light Shot without being stuck in the mud isn't going to turn the Ifrit fight into a kitefest.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kymusashi View Post
    In case you haven't noticed, archers have the same auto attack that every other war and mage class has. Them shooting arrows is also the same TP building moves that said melees and mage classes have, that also have the same animation lock. It all seems to be equally treated, if you ask me.
    And if you haven't noticed, having an archer run up to Pugilist range in order to build TP is not the way a ranged class is supposed to be played. Light/Close/Multi shot is supposed to be the Archer's equivalent to auto attack to build TP, and them getting locked in place for it is unnecessary and detrimental to the class, as you can see in the Ifrit fight.

    Quote Originally Posted by Vanguard319 View Post
    I already made my point on another thread and was declared the devil for it, but if you really insist on me repeating myself:
    I read what you wrote the first time, and this is a game, not real life. Gameplay must be designed with fun and balance in mind, first and foremost.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rentahamster View Post
    Having archer being able to Light Shot without being stuck in the mud isn't going to turn the Ifrit fight into a kitefest.


    And if you haven't noticed, having an archer run up to Pugilist range in order to build TP is not the way a ranged class is supposed to be played. Light/Close/Multi shot is supposed to be the Archer's equivalent to auto attack to build TP, and them getting locked in place for it is unnecessary and detrimental to the class, as you can see in the Ifrit fight.


    I read what you wrote the first time, and this is a game, not real life. Gameplay must be designed with fun and balance in mind, first and foremost.
    It is rather funny though, about a month ago I posted a strat for archers in Ifrit, and people tried it, and it worked :P Use the mage spots and shoot away. Be smart, you can do 3 shots after each tp attack. Think your way out of a problem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kymusashi View Post
    It is rather funny though, about a month ago I posted a strat for archers in Ifrit, and people tried it, and it worked :P Use the mage spots and shoot away. Be smart, you can do 3 shots after each tp attack. Think your way out of a problem.
    I know that using archers is possible in the Ifrit fight. That's not the point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rentahamster View Post
    Having archer being able to Light Shot without being stuck in the mud isn't going to turn the Ifrit fight into a kitefest.


    And if you haven't noticed, having an archer run up to Pugilist range in order to build TP is not the way a ranged class is supposed to be played. Light/Close/Multi shot is supposed to be the Archer's equivalent to auto attack to build TP, and them getting locked in place for it is unnecessary and detrimental to the class, as you can see in the Ifrit fight.


    I read what you wrote the first time, and this is a game, not real life. Gameplay must be designed with fun and balance in mind, first and foremost.
    Ah yes, you were one of my critics....

    You want me to argue without using the laws of physics, logic, or common sense? Very well, name ONE movie, game, or written novel where a bowman is firing his bow while running circles around his target, on his OWN two feet (shield surfboards do not count, so don't even try the LoTR excuse.) I won't be surprised if you can't find one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vanguard319 View Post
    Very well, name ONE movie, game, or written novel where a bowman is firing his bow while running circles around his target, on his OWN two feet (shield surfboards do not count, so don't even try the LoTR excuse.) I won't be surprised if you can't find one.
    Be surprised.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yMtzAXP4gt4#t=01m05s

    Your video game history needs brushing up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rentahamster View Post
    Be surprised.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yMtzAXP4gt4#t=01m05s

    Your video game history needs brushing up.
    still not running at full speed is he?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vanguard319 View Post
    still not running at full speed is he?
    Quit moving the goalposts. If Link stopped for 2 seconds every time he shot a damn arrow, the gameplay would be absolutely terrible.

    This. Is. A. Game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rentahamster View Post
    Quit moving the goalposts. If Link stopped for 2 seconds every time he shot a damn arrow, the gameplay would be absolutely terrible.

    This. Is. A. Game.
    Isn't that what you are doing?
    even games have rules, you don't like animation lock, too bad. go play something else.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vanguard319 View Post
    Isn't that what you are doing?
    even games have rules, you don't like animation lock, too bad. go play something else.
    Yawn. Troll logic. "You have any grievance that I dislike and yet have bested me in an argument, go play something else if you don't like it."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rentahamster View Post
    Be surprised.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yMtzAXP4gt4#t=01m05s

    Your video game history needs brushing up.
    You are full of win.
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