Confessions of a Toxic Elitist

[KisaiTenshi]

I don't see anything about dps from healer in my post. I mention a healer not using the best healing gcd in the game even near end of HW. But please go check my post again where I mention healing dps, like I said you miss the true meaning of elitist. ''Make people cut cutsceene'' doesn't make you elitist. Telling people how to play a class but they aren't even 50% at, is ignorart and elitist. Many of those things you mention are far from elitist vs being a a-hole or just very unpopular things to do/say.
But yeah I'm waiting where you pinpoint that I mentioned healer dps in my post. And why would I look at your lodestone? I have no interest in doing that, again making up things.

A toxic player would bring up anything to shut down a conversation they don't want to see, and you're still doing it. The context of those old posts were in regard to 2.0 content during 2.0.

The point is,

1. If you use a parser. You are cheating.
2. If you tell someone else to play the game your way or you suck, you're an elitist.

The game is balanced to play the way the developers intended it, and since they changed how all the combat works with 4.x that did, and no doubt still causes players to realize that the way they've been playing is not the most effective way to play. Look at all the crap thrown at the developers for the lily system when it was discovered it doesn't work with their normal minmax strategy.

[Tridus]

Look at all the crap thrown at the developers for the lily system when it was discovered it doesn't work with their normal minmax strategy.

And how did that work out? Good WHM players ignore the lily system entirely. Trying to fish for lilies makes you worse as a WHM. You could remove it from the game entirely today and people wouldn't skip a beat in terms of playing the job.

The trick is that players as a collective spend far, far more time actually playing than the developers do. Developers ignore that collective experience at their peril, lest they design something like the lily system where what they intend people to do and the reality are a country mile apart. Intentions mean very little when compared to what they actually do.

Or, as programmers often lament: "The computer does what I tell it to and not what I want."

[Mahrze]

And how did that work out? Good WHM players ignore the lily system entirely. Trying to fish for lilies makes you worse as a WHM. You could remove it from the game entirely today and people wouldn't skip a beat in terms of playing the job.

The trick is that players as a collective spend far, far more time actually playing than the developers do. Developers ignore that collective experience at their peril, lest they design something like the lily system where what they intend people to do and the reality are a country mile apart. Intentions mean very little when compared to what they actually do.

Or, as programmers often lament: "The computer does what I tell it to and not what I want."

This is true, especially when they have an "identity design" behind it that they use as a way to limit themselves on what they can do.

And then, when people asked for reduced CDs on DRK, they said Reduced CDs are not always a gain

Q: The adjustment made to dark knight’s The Blackest Night ability was nice; however the effects of Dark Passenger and Shadow Wall feel low compared to the MP cost and length of the recast time. I would like to see dark knight’s defensive properties expanded.
A: Since the major adjustments to warrior, the development team has received requests to adjust dark knight.

Looking at the usage rates of each job within the tank role, we believe that the balance between them is currently quite even, so we are carefully considering how we should adjust dark knight.

Content is balanced around the recast time of buffs, so a reduction in recast time may not always lead to strengthening the job.

Dark knight is under careful consideration at the moment, so please wait a bit longer.

[akaneakki]

A toxic player would bring up anything to shut down a conversation they don't want to see, and you're still doing it. The context of those old posts were in regard to 2.0 content during 2.0.

You still make up a lot of things here. Where did I say whatever that healer said was from 2xx? This was said last barely under a year ago, from the threads i've been looking at.
Again, making up things.
1: How is using a parser cheating? You have to tell me in very good details how you cheat gameplay with a parser. I'm looking forward for you to explain why it's cheating.
2: I never tell people how to play. There are better ways to play, but exactly my way? I need you to quote me on that. Again, waiting on you for quoting where I mentioned healer dps in my previous post.

[IttyBitty]

They are calling parsing "cheating" because it violates the sanctity of the EULA (lol) and gives you the "advantage" of knowing whether you're putting out garbage DPS or not. Which is more of a failure of the game that anything else, really.

[KisaiTenshi]

They are calling parsing "cheating" because it violates the sanctity of the EULA (lol) and gives you the "advantage" of knowing whether you're putting out garbage DPS or not. Which is more of a failure of the game that anything else, really.

That, and PS4 users can't use it. You can look at it either as using steroids, sure it may make your cyber muscles better, but it makes you subject to elitist roidrage.

I'll reframe this for people who don't get it:

"If Square-Enix announced they would ban every single person who used a parser in 48 hours before the next content patch, would you try to call their bluff, or are you so dependent on parsing that you don't actually know how to play?"

Because people who start using unauthorized tools to improve their performance over others, sure sounds like cheating to me.

Correct. And they may enforce their own rules to their discretion. That, however, does not make parsers a privacy violation. Hence by response.

No more than video recording.

[Dualgunner]

That, and PS4 users can't use it. You can look at it either as using steroids, sure it may make your cyber muscles better, but it makes you subject to elitist roidrage.

But parsers aren't at all like using steroids, and in no way improve ones performance alone. They allow one access to the data needed to improve performance, sure, but that's like saying practicing at the batting cages is cheating baseball.

I'll reframe this for people who don't get it:

"If Square-Enix announced they would ban every single person who used a parser in 48 hours before the next content patch, would you try to call their bluff, or are you so dependent on parsing that you don't actually know how to play?"

I would. It'd be funny, actually, to watch SE annihilate their entire raiding population and then watch the game drown afterward.

Because people who start using unauthorized tools to improve their performance over others, sure sounds like cheating to me.

Except the parser itself doesn't improve one's performance. DRG A and DRG B, all else equal, would still perform the same even if DRG A had a parser and DRG B didn't.

EDIT: What follows is what I believe your argument to be: "Parsers improve performance, third party programs that improve performance are cheating, therefore parsers are cheating." It seems pretty sound, and agreeable entirely, but that relies on the first premise, "Parsers improve performance" to be true, which they do not inherently improve performance.

[KisaiTenshi]

But parsers aren't at all like using steroids, and in no way improve ones performance alone. They allow one access to the data needed to improve performance, sure, but that's like saying practicing at the batting cages is cheating baseball.

I would. It'd be funny, actually, to watch SE annihilate their entire raiding population and then watch the game drown afterward.

Except the parser itself doesn't improve one's performance. DRG A and DRG B, all else equal, would still perform the same even if DRG A had a parser and DRG B didn't.

That's just moving the goalposts. Let's try another thought experiment. What if SE started introducing RNG elements that break the parser? Now whatever BiS gear and optimal rotation you have no longer works 100% of the time, if at all.

The entire reason parsing works at all is because there is very little RNG involved in raiding. It's scripted to a point where if you know when something happens, you can be prepared. Now imagine going one step further, and the game remembers you. It somehow knows you're "better" and changes it's strategy knowing YOU are there. Now all these parser-based stats goes into the toilet because it's using the data against you. And SE has already indicated they log all the data needed to do this if they really wanted to, it was revealed as such during the Ungarmax post-mortem.

Edit: I have to say this a lot because people get really defensive. I do not personally care what you do with your own computer, but if you are using a parser to kick people from duties, you're the problem.

[Dualgunner]

That's just moving the goalposts. Let's try another thought experiment. What if SE started introducing RNG elements that break the parser? Now whatever BiS gear and optimal rotation you have no longer works 100% of the time, if at all.

The only goalposts that were set were "Parsing improves performance." I answered "No, it does not." Not anymore than looking up a rotation is cheating, because Discord and other third party sites that host these rotations aren't directly sanctioned by SE.

As well, this thought experiment doesn't seem very well thought out. Parsers work by reading the data log and recording its output, and then calculating averages. RNG wouldn't change anything, I wouldn't think, and you could actually find a good chunk of players who would be happy that some gear is BiS for some situations and some is BiS for other situations.

The entire reason parsing works at all is because there is very little RNG involved in raiding.

Evidence for this claim?

It's scripted to a point where if you know when something happens, you can be prepared.

This has nothing to do with parsing though, this is just fight choreography.

Now imagine going one step further, and the game remembers you. It somehow knows you're "better" and changes it's strategy knowing YOU are there.

This is why I say this isn't a well thought out thought experiment. If Square could dynamically affect its fight AI to do this, they'd have access to some very powerful AI and it would make this game's endgame much more fun to be honest.

Now all these parser-based stats goes into the toilet because it's using the data against you.

Again, you might find some people who would prefer that to what we have now--fights which dynamically shift and adapt to the party rather than a strictly choreographed dance.

And SE has already indicated they log all the data needed to do this if they really wanted to, it was revealed as such during the Ungarmax post-mortem.

Yes, but the issue is the data is in post--it needs to be processed. And that's an after-the-fact kind of thing.

[zuzu-bq]

That's just moving the goalposts. Let's try another thought experiment. What if SE started introducing RNG elements that break the parser? Now whatever BiS gear and optimal rotation you have no longer works 100% of the time, if at all.

Do you even play this game's group combat content?

I have to say this a lot because people get really defensive. I do not personally care what you do with your own computer, but if you are using a parser to kick people from duties, you're the problem.

I'll kick anyone that is underperforming, and you can notice when someone is doing so without any third parties.