Eureka Vote

[Reynhart]

However SE FLAT OUT SAID they are limiting expert dungeons out for this diadem 3.0 ..

They said they're limiting Expert Dungeons in odd patches because each odd patch will have a new and different content.

The current plan for what these patches will contain is odd numbered patches will have one dungeon and some other new content while even numbered patches will have two new dungeons and QOL improvements.

And Eureka was never confirmed for 4.1

Yes. It is going to be linked with Eureka, so it’s not exactly on 4.15, we’re saying “on or beyond 4.15.” We’re not confirming the timing yet.

Twist again, you'll find juice...

This means there is improvements to be made, basically 70% find the need to want improvements to this place, its not different then saying they dislike it in some way.

Then I guess 70% clearly like it in some way since they can't say they hate it. Now what ?

EDIT : Oh ! Now I understand ! Since I don't think Eureka is perfect (The lack of level-sync) I shouldn't have the rigth to vote that "I like it"...my bad...I hope it doesn't show the utter nonsense of your assumption based on the poll result...
Let me help you a little more. I think very few people think Eureka has absolutely no flaw at all, so we're probably close to 100% people disliking Eureka "in some way". Feel good now ?

[Alleo]

I mostly like it, though something really needs to be done to reward players for activity, because I get really sick of seeing players just idling by the "train" when they could realistically be helping to kill stuff, but they ultimately miss out on almost nothing by doing nothing.

Funny enough someone on reddit did post a discussion with a GM and its completely fine for lower players to not help with spawning fates if they are simply to low for it. It is bad if you try to get these people killed. Interestingly someone that is playing on JP servers wrote that he did have instances where the japanese playerbase acted the same as us. (AFKing) So I place most of the blame on SE for this.

Also the JP poll someone posted is a bit bad too. First we have the JP forum here on this side where the highest likes went to posts that really disliked it. And this poll was done on a blog side. Still right now its split between half liking it and the other half are (neutral or negative). Not a good thing even if they might be more positive about this. The comments bellow the poll are also kinda telling. Some are really really harsh on it. (At least when I read the translation by reddit)

Even before resorting to insult, there are still some problems with some of your replies. On this very thread, the first post you made is twisted to match your point, without any relevance on how statistics work.
This poll is biased with it's "Meh, it's okay", so the only result we could analyze are the extreme sides. As of right now, the only thing that you could say is that "Among 3000 votes, 30% cleary hates it". Saying that 70% hates because only 28% have clearly said they love it is a fallacy.

But as of everything, it goes both way. If someone claimed here that 70% love it because only 30% hates it, it would have been as wrong.

Fun anecdotal fact, I've witnessed that when schools in my town changed their layout. 30% were against, 20% were for, 50% voted blank, and they changed it anyway because they considered than, since only 30% were against, 70% were for.

Yes we only have a real number with the hate/love options (where the hate one is more) because the third option is just a bad question. "Meh" is a hint that something is not that fine, yet there is the "its fine" after that. So what is it? A neutral option? Or completely down to interpretation by the ones that use that option? So in the way its kinda useless. On the reddit thread there were quite a bit of posters saying that it was alright but needs much better improvments to be great. So they kinda fall in this. At the same time we simply have no options to state that we dont care about Eureka so who knows how many chose the third one simply because they had no other option?

And the other side was also quite fast to count those Meh votes towards the "I love it" so they are imo also wrong to do that.

In the end we know that more people in this poll hate it than love it and a slightly bigger amount are Meh about it. Not sure if this can count as a successful content imo. Anyway we will see how this goes when SE finally posts about this.

Yep, that's true. The negativity comes from few players that try REALLY HARD and posts a lot, making lot of noise. I mean, look at all these negativity threads, some doesn't even make any sense.

So only a 30% hate Eureka, while the rest loves it/think it's ok. That's the truth about it. JP polls are really similar: https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme..._about_eureka/

Thats imo not a good way to see the poll. We have 30% hating it and 28% loving it. The 42% are Meh. We simply dont know if they are more towards like or dislike. You are using the same argument that someone uses when they count the Meh options purely toward hating. And just because you have a post on one side those not change the opinions on another..(and suddenly this poll is worth a thing while our forum posts were nothing but minority)

The JP poll was done outside of the forum on a blog. With even less votes than our poll. The JP playerbase on the forum is mostly negative about this content with posts that had over 100 likes. We cant simply go around and say that one poll is suddenly worth more than the opinions on one site. Thats just ignoring informations to make it look different.

Right now we simply have two opinions. Those on the forum and the polls. Both show a direction and both are imo not completely positive towards Eureka. If we had a poll that was asked ingame and that most people that played took then we would have our clear statistics. (If it has better questions..) You cant just state that the forum is a minority and yet suddenly claim that the low amount of votes are what the majority see.

[ChocoFeru]

The "hate it" option means they just hate it and doesn't want to hear about it.

The "Meh, it's ok" I think it's self-explanatory. It means that it might not be the best content, but they accept it.

Therefore, people hating Eureka is still a minority.
And people won't make lots of threads talking about how cool is Eureka because when you like something, there's no need to waste time on forums, you just play it.


What all of this proves is that Eureka is a nice start of a new content style, and that SE should improve the next Eureka maps, keeping the base of it.

People hated it at start, but now everybody knows how Eureka works at higher levels and how doable is to make the relics.

Haters are living in the past, at level 1, ignoring all we learned from Eureka. That's why new hating threads with wrong info keep popping every now and then.

[Reynhart]

So what is it? A neutral option?

It's a neutral-good option, that's why I also said that the poll is biased. And even if it's biased towards my personal opinion, at least I don't twist the "Meh" to claim that I'm in the "majority".

Your suggestion to have much more option is a good one, exactly because right now, the only thing what we can claim is that 30% hates it and 28% loves it (pretty even), and we can't place the people in-between.

[Alleo]

The "hate it" option means they just hate it and doesn't want to hear about it.

The "Meh, it's ok" I think it's self-explanatory. It means that it might not be the best content, but they accept it.

No you simply cant. Because the option itself is way too open for interpretation. As I said maybe someone wanted to vote that they dont care and just voted for Meh. Maybe for some its okay for a short while and it needs huge improvment.

All that we know is that 30% truly hate it and 28% truly love it. The other option cant be put into any category because we dont know why the people voted for it. If we had better questions and then more people kinda liked it thats fine..but I will not agree with putting it anywhere and using that as an argument for or against it.

And again you cant go around and say that the forum is a minority and thus should be ignored..and use the poll as a way to show how Eureka is really seen..

(And nice using insults again..just for your information: I did it quite some hours, nearly lvl 12, have seen quite a lot the NM and so on..I still hate it..)

It's a neutral-good option, that's why I also said that the poll is biased. And even if it's biased towards my personal opinion, at least I don't twist the "Meh" to claim that I'm in the "majority".

Your suggestion to have much more option is a good one, exactly because right now, the only thing what we can claim is that 30% hates it and 28% loves it (pretty even), and we can't place the people in-between.

Thank you. That exactly my problem with the poll. Its biased and at the same time you can interpret it in too many way. If I had shown such a poll to my professors when I was still in university they would have verbally destroyed it because it would have manipulated the people in a certain way. (Its like the questions that manipulate you to a certain answer)

I mean it could still end with more people finding it okay (in a more positive way) but we simply cant say it.

[ChocoFeru]

No you simply cant. Because the option itself is way too open for interpretation. As I said maybe someone wanted to vote that they dont care and just voted for Meh. Maybe for some its okay for a short while and it needs huge improvment.

All that we know is that 30% truly hate it and 28% truly love it. The other option cant be put into any category because we dont know why the people voted for it. If we had better questions and then more people kinda liked it thats fine..but I will not agree with putting it anywhere and using that as an argument for or against it.

And again you cant go around and say that the forum is a minority and thus should be ignored..and use the poll as a way to show how Eureka is really seen..

(And nice using insults again..just for your information: I did it quite some hours, nearly lvl 12, have seen quite a lot the NM and so on..I still hate it..)

Nope and nope. If people disliked Eureka, they would just press the "I hate it".
"Meh" means they just accept it. It's not their fav content, but they play it.

You can twist it as many times as you want, but you can't change the fact.


Insults? Oh, how fast you felt offended when you can't provide facts. There's not a single insult on my posts, and I bet you can't even point a single one, unless you keep using the same strategy twisting over and over again the facts and our words.

The fact is; we will have more Eureka in the future, they'll improve it, and there's nothing you can do to stop it.

Have fun, gotta do more Eurekas today

[Reynhart]

"Meh" means they just accept it.

Problem is, accepting it says nothing about your sentiment. If you think you can't do anything to change what you don't like, you'll eventually also "accept" it.

The "fact" on this poll is too general to claim anything. Maybe some "Meh" people didn't even enter it but wanted to put their voice to counter the two extremes.

[Zojha]

"Meh" means they just accept it. It's not their fav content, but they play it.

"Meh" means: Lack of interest or enthusiasm/Boredom/Indifference. It's the equivalent of a verbal shrug.
"Ok" is generally used to denote acceptance/agreement/adequacy of some form.

It's the latter that tilts the overall connotation towards the positive. Meh alone carries a slightly negative connotation.

That's why the option is fairly useless. It doesn't say anything. Someone who goes:"It's not my cup of tea, so I don't do it, but I don't really have strong feelings about it." would probably not pick "I hate it", because that's way too strong a word for the sentiment. He'd pick "Meh", to resemble the indifference about the contents existence.

As such, you can't even infer from it that people play it. Heck, even people that hate it might play it for the rewards (and some people might hate it solely because they have to play it to get the rewards and would be "Meh" about it if they didn't). It's just a flaw in the poll.

[hynaku]

30% of a player base is huge amount. If 30% of player base quit I'm sure SE would really feel it. You can't compare Japanese player base with player base from other areas. Each has there own likes and dislikes.

[Maero]

Voted, Meh it's Ok but almost to the point of i don't like it tbh