Dev blog: New Feast rewards

[Kexiana]

If they wanted to put this mount in Feast, it should be obtainable after 300-500 training matches. That would be far more obtainable, and keep the mode populated more than two weeks. Let the top 100 have a unique mount, but make this mount obtainable through training and learning the mode.

I actually really agree with this. There should be an incentive to do training matches, especially for those who have never feasted before. It is... hard... for someone completely new to jump into ranked, which usually ends up being the only mode that pops. 4v4 Training rarely, if ever, pops. Incentives to learn and practice the mode would be excellent.

[Commander_Justitia]

Increasing the number of people who can obtain the mount by 10x would be unfair how exactly?

If top1000 get the mount, you would get it probably by winning 1 match lmao. It wouldn't be a PvP reward, it would be a participation reward. You basically ask that bots would be able to grind this.

Many who actually play PvP will tell you how easy it is to get top100, many who don't play PvP will tell you that it is impossible and cheat only. Chose wisely.

This thread is pretty funny as pve worlds clash with pvp worlds. This is a ranked pvp mode, ranked pvp modes have 1 thing in common in videogames, you get rare rewards for doing good. But seems like many already don't agree at that fundamental statement, which makes the whole discussion troublesome.

Edit:

There should be an incentive to do training matches, especially for those who have never feasted before.

Hmm, but there is the gloria airship mount and 1 of the garo mounts is I believe also tied to feast only. You need a 3rd mount as incentive?

[AxlStream]

It's not that people cheats... Just that the PvP feels horrible to play in general and is a mess.

[Kexiana]

IHmm, but there is the gloria airship mount and 1 of the garo mounts is I believe also tied to feast only. You need a 3rd mount as incentive?

These are not training mode exclusive, you can get them in any feast (8v8, ranked, 4v4 training). So people usually just go for ranked. If it was exclusive to training, people would -have- to queue training for that particular mount, which can help prepare them for ranked.

[Zojha]

It's not that people cheats... Just that the PvP feels horrible to play in general and is a mess.

Duh. That's precisely why they put up the rewards.

If it was a raging success, they could manage with nothing more than a completion achievement as personal memento. But nobody would bother with Feast for that, heck, even with rewards, hardly anyone bothers with Feast because it's just that bad. They threw it in for their lolEsports and are now desperate to salvage it, hence why they constantly make adjustments to get more people into it.

No serious competition is going to have a rating system like we have in Feast, with a minimum rating you cannot fall below and skewed gains/losses all the way up to the highest tier, that was done in an attempt to get more people into it. They just recently put in wolf collars as an additional reward to try and get people to participate. The matchmaking range is a complete and utter joke as far as competitive integrity is concerned and their attempts to compensate it via average ratings is futile if the roles don't all have the same impact. But it's necessary because the participation is terrible. And with participation being as bad as it is, the rankings have a similar amount of weight as the results of a local spelling bee - big fish in the small pond syndrome is real.

At least it doesn't have much bots I suppose. It got that going for it, which is nice. But any and all things concerning Feast reward structure should be seen before the background of it being a big, fat failure. And if anyone now considers giving the Feast a try for the mount this time around, well... it did its job. That is precisely what it's supposed to do, make you consider playing enduring Feast for it.

[Aviars]

She claimed Ultimate may lose the ilvl sync based on the precedent set. They have never kept content permanently synced. Therefore, it's entirely reasonably to assume come 5.0 they will continue that trend. She never said she wanted it nerfed. That was you putting words in her mouth just as you have done with virtually everyone who responded.

Taking away the exclusivity doesn't make it easier. It makes it consistent. Why should Feast have timed exclusive mounts when Savage and Ultimate don't?

It could go either one or two ways. Instead of suggesting Ultimate should stay exclusive she suggests Feast rewards should be easier to obtain. Maybe you should read between the lines?

With your suggestions making it available to top 1000 is making it easier. Also, why should Ultimate and Savage have exclusive weapons and top 100 not have exclusive weapons? As you can see your argument can easily be turned against you. why is anything in this game unique???? Why is SE doing something different???? I hate things that are different!!! Basically you in a nutshell

I said no such thing, and you're more than welcome to quote me directly if you believe otherwise. You insisted PvP and PvE should be viewed separately. I pointed out the hypocrisy of that stance since the exclusive mounts came from PvE content, thus you can't claim PvP is wholly separate when its rewards are inspired from PvE.

In fact, I have no qualms with either mounts requiring active Feast or season participation. My only complaint is their exclusivity.

PVP and PVE are two different game modes. Their progression is no where near connected. they are completely separate entities that do not require one another to exists. Just because of some vague thematic connection of the rewards doesn't mean everything PVP has magically becomes something PVE is entitled to as you would suggest.

You complain about exclusivity and in the same breath say you have no problem with SEASONAL TIMED participation. I guess the real problem you have is the fact that the best 100 players in the data center get the rewards? I guess we now know why you keep trying to increase the number to 1000.

Curious that your post has a convenient edit attached to it while mine doesn't yet I quoted you directly. Are you that much of a child you need to flat out lie over a simple typo? Wow, indeed.

You can look at the time of my edit and the time of your post. There is a 16 minute difference. There was nothing fishy going on like you would imply. Just accept you were wrong?

Nor will you convince me Feast should have a timed exclusive mount only 660 people can obtain when every other piece of content has no such limitation. You simply want to lord your mounts over people.

Alas, we have reached an impasse.

Earlier you said you weren't against seasonal participation, so in effect that is just wrong. You literally contradicted yourself. Sorry

In the end your only real qualm is the fact that only top 100 people per datacenter would receive such rewards. There is a reason you keep trying to increase the threshold to 1000. If you really only cared about the timed aspect then you would've made it so top 100 players of future seasons would have a chance at older top 100 rewards, but instead you keep trying to increase it.

Maybe you need to be consistent with your argument like you want SE to remain unchanging in how they operate their game. LOL

[Bourne_Endeavor]

It could go either one or two ways. Instead of suggesting Ultimate should stay exclusive she suggests Feast rewards should be easier to obtain. Maybe you should read between the lines?

With your suggestions making it available to top 1000 is making it easier. Also, why should Ultimate and Savage have exclusive weapons and top 100 not have exclusive weapons? As you can see your argument can easily be turned against you. why is anything in this game unique???? Why is SE doing something different???? I hate things that are different!!! Basically you in a nutshell

... You really are just that daft. Can I get the Hellhound mount right now? No? Well, I can get everything Ultimate and Savage reward. Therefore, they aren't exclusive. You keep using the term yet don't seem to grasp its actual meaning.

PVP and PVE are two different game modes. Their progression is no where near connected. they are completely separate entities that do not require one another to exists. Just because of some vague thematic connection of the rewards doesn't mean everything PVP has magically becomes something PVE is entitled to as you would suggest.

You complain about exclusivity and in the same breath say you have no problem with SEASONAL TIMED participation. I guess the real problem you have is the fact that the best 100 players in the data center get the rewards? I guess we now know why you keep trying to increase the number to 1000.

Two different game modes does not mean one should have exclusive rewards that no other piece of content does.

If you could obtain the Hellhoud in every single season, it's no longer exclusive. That was my whole point. Apparently, it flew over your head. Wouldn't be the first time.

IYou can look at the time of my edit and the time of your post. There is a 16 minute difference. There was nothing fishy going on like you would imply. Just accept you were wrong?

Because I didn't post my response immediately but held the edit. Now you're implying I edited my own post to make a silly typo just to make fun of you? You really are just that childish.

In the end your only real qualm is the fact that only top 100 people per datacenter would receive such rewards. There is a reason you keep trying to increase the threshold to 1000. If you really only cared about the timed aspect then you would've made it so top 100 players of future seasons would have a chance at older top 100 rewards, but instead you keep trying to increase it.

There you go again, assuming people's opinions. I gave a suggestion off the top of my head; even adding you can adjust the numbers to your fancy. If it were up to me, I would put the mounts behind the underused Wolf Collar system and be done with it.

[Vejjiegirl]

... You really are just that daft. Can I get the Hellhound mount right now? No? Well, I can get everything Ultimate and Savage reward.

But, unlike Ultimate and Savage. FFXIV does have exclusives that you can not get, and maybe never ever again. I'll list a few of them for you:

1.0 Version Exlusives
1. 1.0 Goobue Mount
2. 1.0 Legacy Chocobo
3. Dated Armor (basically armor that can be worn regardless of your role) (1502 items in total)
4. White Ravens
5. Over-Aspected Crystals (still buyable from other players that have them)
6 Dalamud Horn

Overseas Exlusive
1. China's Imitiation Crafter/Gatherer Replica sets, we may never see these in NA considering Yoshi-P's stance on cross job glam. But basically these sets allow you to glamour crafter gear onto combat gear.
Example Image:
https://imgur.com/EsoR0JB.png
Source:
http://act.ff.sdo.com/20170918Shop/mall.html#/mall

Minion Exlusives
1. Wind Up Bahamut
2. Wind up Dalamud
3. Spoony Bard
*(There are probably a lot more minions you can no longer get because they were limited to only a few codes)*

You should not say it is unfair for PVP to have the only exclusive items in the game when there have been exclusives around in the game for a long time.

On a side note:
Rewards for the top 100 players is a way for Squarenix to motivate people to even do ranked in the first place. You can see what pvp is like without rewards by seeing activity in feast during pre-season where there is no reward.
During pre-season ques are extremely dead and it takes a huge community effort to even get people motivated to play at the same time.

(example)
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...ght-3-11-18%21
or


Without a reward people are not motivated to play and pvp dies.
There are many people within the pvp community that love pvp and wish to keep playing regardless of the reward.
However we know that these rewards are a necessity to keep ques active and people motivated.

For many people the rewards are also a thing to work for, a huge accomplishment we can show off for our month (almost 3 month) long struggle against other people(that are also seeking the same thing).

[Aviars]

... You really are just that daft. Can I get the Hellhound mount right now? No? Well, I can get everything Ultimate and Savage reward. Therefore, they aren't exclusive. You keep using the term yet don't seem to grasp its actual meaning.

You missed the entire point of the statement. You made the claim that PVP has something that PVE doesn't so it isn't being fair. I give you a example of how PVE has something that PVP does not have. It had nothing to do with the time restraint. Maybe you should read the post 2-3 times before saying something please.

Two different game modes does not mean one should have exclusive rewards that no other piece of content does.

If you could obtain the Hellhoud in every single season, it's no longer exclusive. That was my whole point. Apparently, it flew over your head. Wouldn't be the first time.

You seem to think everything in the game should follow the same cookie cutter recipe and that SE shouldn't have any choice in innovating their own game. If you are so adamant about consistency, why don't you complain about Ultimate as a whole? It has unprecedented difficulty, features forced ilvl sync even after the next raid tier is released and features a best in slot weapon obtained from a single boss raid. Maybe you need to be consistent with your criticism of the game modes?

Also I have time and time again suggested that top 100 players in FUTURE seasons being able to chose the current reward or 1 past reward. You continue to ignore that point and keep suggesting progressively easier suggestions. It tells me you don't care about the time aspect but the relative difficulty of getting top 100. Please.

Because I didn't post my response immediately but held the edit. Now you're implying I edited my own post to make a silly typo just to make fun of you? You really are just that childish.

And you keep implying that my edit was done in order to mess with you. Sorry but I already demonstrated how that isn't the case. Keep trying to make me look like the bad guy.

There you go again, assuming people's opinions. I gave a suggestion off the top of my head; even adding you can adjust the numbers to your fancy. If it were up to me, I would put the mounts behind the underused Wolf Collar system and be done with it.

Again you were the one who said they had no problem with people having to participate in a particular season. Your words not mine and I also like how you cut the quote apart so you could argue against it out of context lol.

And there you go again by trying to make it even easier..... No words. Wolf Collars are guaranteed currency and at that point it's just a waiting game. Why are you so against my suggestion of top 100 possibly having access to past top 100 rewards? It gets rid of your "timed exclusive" while the item remains just as hard to obtain. What's the problem?

[zuzu-bq]

all of you that are arguing that the mount is too exclusive and unfair are literally being dumb hypocrits.

you complain about the mount being too exclusive, what about the trophy that only 6 people get in the world????? oh right you want the mount so you complain about it like the selfish casual you are.

just work for it, its not hard.

I said the trophies are also dumb on a previous post. The whole reward system outside collars is bad.

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And I agree with Rei on pretty much everything they said, really solid arguments. I'm mostly here to say that the rewards are not enough to motivate queues to stay alive anymore mostly because players gave up in how they are handed to players. I'm not saying to give them to everyone, just widen the reach. You've to accomodate more players into rewards if more of them come to the game somehow. That's why big games keep changing how they handle rewards from time to time. Meanwhile we're stuck the same system (almost, collars are a good change) since Feast launched two years ago. That's two years with an influx of new players.