Dev blog: New Feast rewards

[Aviars]

If SE would listen to it's players

You'd see pretty much everything become obtainable from the mogstation or gold saucer as half the threads asking SE for something are like this. The majority don't want to work hard for anything.

That's my whole point. Why should PvP mounts be exclusive when Savage mounts aren't?

Good argument to make savage mounts exclusive, or at the very least force a ilvl sync

And I should also ask why should the 1.0 gobbue and 1.0 chocobo be exclusive? It isn't fair?!

[HyoMinPark]

And I should also ask why should the 1.0 gobbue and 1.0 chocobo be exclusive? It isn't fair?!

This is a strawman. The Legacy Chocobo and 1.0 Goobbue come from an entirely different game; FFXIV 1.0 is entirely separate from the FFXIV we all play now. It would make sense for them to be unobtainable. I just disagree with the idea of exclusivity or time-limited items in general—this applies to in-game items such as Feast mounts and outside merchandise like minions from OSTs that are no longer obtainable. There’s just no point in that sort of exclusivity, in my opinion.

Savage mounts and Ultimate weapons/titles can be achieved well past their period of relevancy; why can’t older Feast mounts be made available through other means after their relevant expansions?

Example: with the HW Feast Hellhounds. Why not make them available somehow now in SB through PvP? Maybe via Feast match achievements, like the Gloria mount, but increase it to 300 wins for one, 500 for another, 750 for the third one, and 1,000 for the fourth one (just to use some numerical examples here)? With this...Hojo-wanna Chair mount thing...why not make it available via some other PvP-related means once 5.0 is released? It at least gives people something to do PvP for if they want the item and are unable to achieve Top 100 during the relevant Season.

That’s just my thoughts on it, anyways.

[Aviars]

This is a strawman. The Legacy Chocobo and 1.0 Goobbue come from an entirely different game; FFXIV 1.0 is entirely separate from the FFXIV we all play now. It would make sense for them to be unobtainable. I just disagree with the idea of exclusivity or time-limited items in general—this applies to in-game items such as Feast mounts and outside merchandise like minions from OSTs that are no longer obtainable. There’s just no point in that sort of exclusivity, in my opinion.

TBH, you just don't like how you aren't able to achieve the same feats as others. Sadly PVP makes people feel this way as it does force people to compete against one another and show whether or not they are better or worse. And that is scary for most people I realize. I know for a fact it isn't really the time exclusivity rather it's the fact that top 100 in unobtainable for most

Savage mounts and Ultimate weapons/titles can be achieved well past their period of relevancy; why can’t older Feast mounts be made available through other means after their relevant expansions?

Ultimate is ilvl sync'ed and as far as we know they aren't about to let people steamroll it easily as the next expansions come out.

Example: with the HW Feast Hellhounds. Why not make them available somehow now in SB through PvP? Maybe via Feast match achievements, like the Gloria mount, but increase it to 300 wins for one, 500 for another, 750 for the third one, and 1,000 for the fourth one (just to use some numerical examples here)? With this...Hojo-wanna Chair mount thing...why not make it available via some other PvP-related means once 5.0 is released? It at least gives people something to do PvP for if they want the item and are unable to achieve Top 100 during the relevant Season.

You see, this actually proves to me you don't really care about time exclusivity. It's more like you are afraid you can't get top 100 and it scares you. So why not make the items available in the easiest way possible through a grindy achievement?

I would actually find it reasonable ( even though I disagree) if top 100 players can use a voucher for a top 100 prize of their choice from past seasons if they don't want the current seasons top 100 reward, but you really do just make the items purpose irrelevant by making it really easy to obtain.

Just stop please, I'm so tired of people that just want everything the easy way.

[HyoMinPark]

TBH, you just don't like how you aren't able to achieve the same feats as others. Sadly PVP makes people feel this way as it does force people to compete against one another and show whether or not they are better or worse. And that is scary for most people I realize. I know for a fact it isn't really the time exclusivity rather it's the fact that top 100 in unobtainable for most

LOL, what? I don’t care about PvP at all in this game; I don’t even care about the Hellhounds, nor this mount. But I know of people that do, and I just think the exclusivity is stupid. These mounts were highly requested by the general playerbase, and the developers tossed them in the Feast (extremely niche content) to try and incentivize people do to the Feast, which isn’t really working considering it’s limited to Top 100 per Data Center anyways. The Centurio Tiger is locked behind the most obscenely ridiculous achievements in this game, and it’s far more effective in getting people to participate in Hunts than the Hellhounds or Hojo-Wannabe Chair (at least on my server, the Hunt community is far more active than it was in the past). Because even if it takes you 3 years to get the Tiger, you can still obtain it later. You can’t do that with these mounts.

Ultimate is ilvl sync'ed and as far as we know they aren't about to let people steamroll it easily as the next expansions come out.

I doubt the developers will keep the level 70 / i340 sync once 5.0 is released. Even if they do, though, you can still obtain the weapon and the title far after its period of relevancy. The point people are trying to make with you is that these aren’t obtainable later via other means, and such exclusivity is ridiculous since they don’t apply it to any other aspect in this game.

You see, this actually proves to me you don't really care about time exclusivity. It's more like you are afraid you can't get top 100 and it scares you. So why not make the items available in the easiest way possible through a grindy achievement? I would actually find it reasonable ( even though I disagree) if top 100 players can use a voucher for a top 100 prize of their choice from past seasons if they don't want the current seasons top 100 reward, but you really do just make the items purpose irrelevant by making it really easy to obtain.

Just stop please, I'm so tired of people that just want everything the easy way.

I feel like I have to repeat: I don’t care about PvP in this game; never have, and it has zero to do with the mounts and more the fact that I don’t care for the content in general.

I just don’t see the need for exclusivity, especially for a mount that people requested multiple times (e.g., the Hellhound mount), and was thrown into a niche piece of content AND made ridiculously exclusive on four separate occasions, killing chances of more casual PvPers (or even people that have no interest in PvP but would try for it in the event that they wanted to try and get the mount) wanting to even shoot for it.

Exclusivity is overrated.

Even with locking older PvP mounts behind “grindy achievements” an entire expansion later (thereby giving those Top 100 time to “enjoy” their “exclusivity”), said achievements would still require you to actually put forth enough effort to win the matches. The mount behind the grindiest achievement in this game is, again, more effective at drawing people into doing its relevant content than PvP is with it’s mounts. And that’s all these mounts are: a thinly veiled incentive to try and draw people into PvP, but having them unobtainable unless you are the “best of the best” (or win-trade your way to the top) turns a lot of people off.

But, please. Feel free to tell me more about how I feel. Since you are so knowledgable about it all.

I'm so tired of people that just want everything the easy way.

You obviously aren’t familiar with my posts on here if you think I’m an advocate of obtaining items via little to no effort.

[Awha]

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Do you enjoy PvP in this game? What do you pvp for: the enjoyment or the reward? While I am not a major fan of PvP in FFXIV, I do know what it is like grinding for top 3 in a dying game where ELO does not exist forcing you to deal with win traders, carries, throwers, leavers, and every day mouth breathers. Thing is if I did not enjoy the PvP in tor I never would have done it, the rewards are nice but let us not fool ourselves into thinking that the rewards in place were nothing more then a carrot. That is what I do not get you are placing so much importance on a carrot. Even if they offer that top 100 mount as a cash shop item in the future does it really detract from the one you earned? You know what you went through to get that placing. The experience you gained by putting in those hours will always remain and nothing can ever detract from that.

Now if you tell me that the sole reason you took part in PvP was to get the rewards and not because you enjoyed seeing how high to you can climb or how well you fare verse other skilled players so be it I will leave it at that. I get having a unique item and title is nice, but even if the item itself was no longer unique your personal experience will be. Either way I have no dog in this race I do not want the mount, but coming from a player in two games that has rare and unique items I honestly do not see why it matters if one person or one million players have the item. Clearly this is a hot topic with you and that goes to show how much value you place on the reward itself and not the activity. Take it in stride if it happens it happens but getting bent out of shape over it seems like a fruitless endeavor.

If other want access to the item do not let that detract from the value of the item, only you have that power. I get my position comes from an emotional place, I just have seen many pvpers quit simply because the rewards did not match their personal expectations which is a shame since when they were rewards they wanted they enjoyed the mode a great deal. Yet when that enjoyment is tied to reward when you do not have a carrot to chase it is not that fun, so do not let the enjoyment be tied to a reward and simply PvP for the fun of it.

[Johaandr]

Keep in mind PvP is distinct from savage content aka pve.
I honserly dont mind the mount is given out to to top 100.
I mean gg for pvp enthusiast.^^

[Coatl]

Rip PvP. Can they really not think of any way to make PvP more popular besides throwing mounts at it? At this point just adding clusters as a reward would make it more enticing.

Funny, why are you equating PVE with PVP then? They are two separate and entirely different things after all with their own set of currency, progression and rewards!

PvP and PvE being exclusive to each other is just hurting PvP. Add in more tangible, reachable rewards and I guarantee you PvP will be more lively again. Think back to the launch of stormblood and how active PvP was due to how much exp you could get from participating. The only time PvP was hot and lively was when they added something it tie to the base game.

[Rieze_Xeero]

We already gave SE the best idea to promote the feast, and it is via wolf collars with good rewards including mounts. So its now up to them to capitalize on that.

As for Aviars, I give my hat to you man. You really are debating with everyone who post on this thread even if the reason is fair and logical.

[HyoMinPark]

^ In regards to this, HyoMin. You seem to totally ignore Aviars suggestion of having Top 100 players being able to choose a singular prize from a pool of previous prizes. This means that you can still obtain the previous prizes any time you want as long as you put in the time, effort and skill required to obtain top 100. Similar to your reasoning that you can obtain the Ultimate Coil weapons and title anytime you want - as long as you put in the time, effort and skill as well.

I took note of their compromise. But it was lost in their sea of assumptions personal attacks against me for just disagreeing with the idea of exclusivity in general (e.g., in regards to everything in this game). If someone wants to make suggestions/compromises, they should probably refrain from ad hominem while they’re at it. It would make people far more receptive when it came to listening to them.

I suggested the “grindy achievements” for Hellhounds an entire expansion after their relevant Feast Seasons, and was accused of being “a casual” that is “entitled” and “just wants everything handed to me” even though I have zero interest in PvP mounts in general; it was a compromise more so for those that would want them and who either couldn’t get them when they were in the revelant season because their rank wasn’t high enough, who weren’t even playing at the time, whatever the reason is. But how can anyone have civilized debates with people who resort to comments like that? Debate the argument, not the character of the person who is making the argument. If you can’t do that, then you have no argument, and choose instead to attack the opposing party.

I’m stepping out of this thread. I’m not even a PvPer, so I shouldn’t have even tried to talk with those who do.