4.25 and beyond

[ShanXiv]

Don't get your hopes too high with Eureka.

Not every developer knows "the art of MMO",
not everyone is Hiromichi Tanaka/Hironobu Sakaguchi/Yasumi Matsuno, (SE fired them all, nice...)

Many FFXI/FFXIV1.x fans had been disappointed & quit,
Now some white knights are also getting bored....
I wonder what SE has left lol....

The current state of SE is just like many other old great companies (Blizzard, Apple, Sony),
short sighted,,marketing over product quality, then went downhill
it's too late, maybe a mobile game/anime company is the only way to go

[Remedi]

Don't you think that if there's no hope for improvement then keeping this up is pointless? the far cry 3 quote is actually fitting for this behavior, some ppl come here to voice concern about the direction of the game asking for the company to change direction, those that have no hope in a change of direction, however I question what is their point

[Ayer2015]

I kinda wish all jobs could use summons since it's a staple of the series. It would basically replace Limit Break and be the full size summon you can call out after charging party bar, with different effects depending on the summon used.

Given what we got for SMN, this would have been by far preferable.

[Zojha]

I understand the concerns though. There isn’t a good track record of content that has any sort of extended lifecycle in this game; it more or less dies in a patch or two, or by the next expansion.

Well, considering...

Naoki Yoshida:
This can be said for Diadem as well, but when creating content for FINAL FANTASY XIV, we don’t envision anything we make as “content we want people to continue playing for an exceptionally long time.”

https://www.psu.com/news/exclusive-f...uture-content/

I think it's safe to say that Eureka is not going to be any different in that regard, because it doesn't seem like they intend any of the content to be different. It will be kept on life support via the relics, but you can be pretty sure it's gonna become irrelevant come 5.0 at the latest and it might well have long overstayed its welcome by then.

Might sound like doomsaying, but that's the realistic view here. Until the devs 'vision' changes, it's not likely the content they produce will. And even if it does, there's no guarantee they'll be able to get results.

[Rufalus]

not everyone is Hiromichi Tanaka/Hironobu Sakaguchi/Yasumi Matsuno, (SE fired them all, nice...)

The current state of SE is just like many other old great companies (Blizzard, Apple, Sony)

I'm not sure how accurate it is to say they were fired. Maybe some of them were sort of getting pushed aside from the roles they had been doing and it made leaving the best option for their lives. Fortunately Matsuno was brought back freelance to help with the Ivalician raids in XIV.

I do miss the times when Sakaguchi was steering the FF ship because they were blazing a path in those days, very aggressive, not afraid of taking risks, innovating and making emotional and beautiful games.

I guess with how huge the company is now and the insane budgets of modern games, they just aren't able to take such big risks on exploring niches so XV was somewhat modelled after successful Western action-adventure games and XIV took many ideas from WoW.

[Darrcyphfeid]

With PotD, they are supposedly adding a new PotD at some point during 4.x; I’m assuming that it will function much like the current one, but allow players to go to Level 70 instead of capping at 60. Sadly, they aren’t going to upgrade the old PotD, and I do wonder if it will die the moment the new one comes out.

This may well be another bomb waiting to go off, but it ultimately comes down to two things:

1.) If the general consensus is correct and Deep Dungeon 2 will be the tower structure in The Ruby Sea, we're going to see a split in the community and (possibly) longer queue times for both. New players would be stuck in South Shroud, while people with more progression into the game will opt for the presumably better-scaling Ruby Sea location.
2.) Whether or not Deep Dungeon 2 resets our levels to 1 upon entry again (/can be entered by a job of any level) or whether it will start at lv60/61 (/can only be entered by jobs at lv60+), which would determine exactly how the community split occurs.

Normally I'd have expected 4.3 to be the Deep Dungeon 2 update (since prior to SB release they mentioned that odd patches would be the "new"/auxiliary content patches), but given how far Eureka was pushed back I'm somewhat worried about its viability/relevance in general. If it misses 4.3/4.35, I don't really see them adding it to 4.4 alongside the usual MSQ/Raid rush. Maybe 4.45, but probably more likely 4.5? Who knows.

[CosmicKirby]

Don't get your hopes too high with Eureka.

Not every developer knows "the art of MMO",
not everyone is Hiromichi Tanaka/Hironobu Sakaguchi/Yasumi Matsuno, (SE fired them all, nice...)

I mean, you could either admit your tastes are niche/older, or you can just live in denial that the only good MMOs were massive time sinks by and large. It's ok to have a preference for those, but ti's insane to argue that somehow your tastes are just better than the booming market the genre has become.

[Rufalus]

Normally I'd have expected 4.3 to be the Deep Dungeon 2 update (since prior to SB release they mentioned that odd patches would be the "new"/auxiliary content patches), but given how far Eureka was pushed back I'm somewhat worried about its viability/relevance in general. If it misses 4.3/4.35, I don't really see them adding it to 4.4 alongside the usual MSQ/Raid rush. Maybe 4.45, but probably more likely 4.5? Who knows.

They are basically too busy and it's not close to being done but planned for release in 4.x series. So yeah 4.45 or 4.55 is possible at worst. Yoshida said it will be entirely new mechanics rather than a PotD clone so that explains why it's taking time. Also consider that Eureka has to expanded through multiple patches with Anemos being just the first section of many and you see they have their hands full.

[Ayer2015]

I mean, you could either admit your tastes are niche/older, or you can just live in denial that the only good MMOs were massive time sinks by and large. It's ok to have a preference for those, but ti's insane to argue that somehow your tastes are just better than the booming market the genre has become.

I wouldn't call it a booming market. If it were developers would still be making new ones.

[Voltyblast]

Eureka will suck anyway: good and fun content needs effort to be made to last, but with the way they make patches this can't be done. Fast patching has its drawbacks and this is one.

My sub runs out in 2 weeks so I'll be "lucky" to experience it, but I already know it will last no more than 24 to 48 hours, just for the sake novelty.

And Thank God we're getting less dungeons - and less everything really - for "exciting new content" such as this!